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  • What causes a horse to move backwards when rider wants to go forward
  • Horse backing up and spinning refusing to move forward

 
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    08-25-2009, 07:02 AM
  #1
Foal
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Hi, my horse is soo stubbon! Sometimes he will hack fine, and other times he will go out and be out for about 2 mins and then he stops dead, refusing to move any further, threatning to reigh etc and walk backwards. Any ideas on what I can do to keep him going? Thanks
     
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    08-25-2009, 07:25 AM
  #2
Showing
That is a fairly common problem with an undisciplined horse. What I do when I come across a horse with that trait is to make them move. If he wants to go backward, make him go backward until you tell him to stop. Then turn him in circles both ways. If his feet are moving, he can't rear and will soon discover that the type of behavior he is exhibiting is unacceptable and will cause him to do more work then he figured on.

You need to be consistent and unrelenting. He needs to know that every time he does that, you will make him work hard. It is a form of pressure and release that we use in all training.
     
    08-25-2009, 08:01 AM
  #3
Foal
Thankyou, ill let you no how I get on x
     
    08-25-2009, 11:32 AM
  #4
Started
Roxanne.

The fault is called "balking". It often comes along with being "barn sour".
You are probably going to need some help from a strong rider and your fellow might not oblige and disobey for them.

He is trying to be the boss over you. The more the horse wins, the more he will try it on. And he'll have a few tricks up his sleeve that he hasn't shown you yet.

Get some help from a professional horse & rider trainer. You've got to be more assertive when riding - it is not so much what you do do, it's what you don't do.

It is not your fault - some horses are born difficult.
You don't outfight these critters, you outthink them. But you are going to have to learn how to be firm. Be careful around this horse - he is not showing you respect.

Barry G
     
    08-25-2009, 02:55 PM
  #5
Zab
Yearling
Get off him, lead him a bit, get up and start over if necessary. Preferaly way before he starts backing or acting up, just do it at the first try to not move forward on your cue.

No, you havn't ''failed'' or ''lost'' by etting off. You've just showed him that you can make him walk forward wether he likes it or not and that even if he's being silly, you're mature enough to forgive it. It does work in the long run. And it's safer for you than to sit on a fighting horse.
     
    08-25-2009, 04:40 PM
  #6
Showing
[quote=Zab;387675]Get off him, lead him a bit, get up and start over if necessary. Preferaly way before he starts backing or acting up, just do it at the first try to not move forward on your cue.
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I would strongly disagree. Getting off your horse is giving him what he wants not what you want. Each time you dismount you teach him that that is a good way to get out of work.

I may agree with Barry if you are not a stern and secure rider. What I and others may do is not necessarily what you should do. Depending on your horse, some will not be a problem while others may fight you pretty badly. You know your horse and you know your abilities. If he is a real problem, my advise is: don't get hurt - get help.
     
    08-25-2009, 05:54 PM
  #7
Zab
Yearling
[quote=iridehorses;387734]
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Get off him, lead him a bit, get up and start over if necessary. Preferaly way before he starts backing or acting up, just do it at the first try to not move forward on your cue.
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I would strongly disagree. Getting off your horse is giving him what he wants not what you want. Each time you dismount you teach him that that is a good way to get out of work.
Not really as the horse still has to do what you asked of him in the first place = go forward. You're just outsmarting him and at the same time showing a good leadership.
     
    08-25-2009, 06:09 PM
  #8
Trained
My horse does this when she doesn't want to go anymore, just not as severe. Like everyone said, keep him moving. If his rearing is serious, I second iridehorses, get help before you get hurt. If it's something you can handle, remember that he can't rear if his legs are moving. If he's backing up, keep backing up.

Ricci goes along trails fine. One day, we decided to try a new trail that had a really long stretch, a big hill, it leveled off a bit, and then went up some more. She went along the stretch fine, and the first part of the hill fine. When we got to the part where it leveled off, she decided she was done. She was spinning around towards home, and backing up when I asked her to go forward. Since she would only go backwards, I made her go backwards, and I backed her a$$ up the hill. After a little while, I turned her around to see if she'd walk up, and when she didn't, we turned back around and continued backing up the hill. About half way up she decided forward was much easier. And then we went up and down that hill for like an hour. Never had a problem since.

I know it was a long story, but since your horse wants to go backwards, point his butt to where you want to go, and back him up. If you feel like he is going to pop up, spin him a circle or something to disengage and try again. I almost guarantee it will work. =]

I also disagree with Zab's advice. By rearing and acting up, and then you get off, he does get a reward. Getting him to walk forward on the ground isn't the same fight as getting to walk forward while you're riding.
     
    08-26-2009, 04:39 AM
  #9
Foal
Hi thanks guys, I don't think ill be needing someone to get on him or anything, I've worked with problem horses years and I do have the confidence, just havent had a problem horse out hacking for a while and wanted to catch your thoughts. My main worry is that the tracks we ride along have ditches either side off them, id rather not go down them if possbile! When my horse decides he doesnt want to go any further, he will either dig his heels in the ground and not move, or go backwards.. so the only way I feel after asking him to go forward without getting into what could be a dangeous arguement , is to get off and lead him, however he wont lead forwards either , so I've been turning him around and pushing him to walk backwards(so he's still going the way I want, away from home) but only backwards. Then I turn him back round and lead him normally, until he stops again, then I do the same. This does seem to be working but how long for I don't no.
Will keep you updated and thanks for the advice guys x
     
    08-26-2009, 05:42 AM
  #10
Showing
BTW, if a stubborn horse is backing up and you try to move him forward by giving him a lot of leg, it is not uncommon for him to rear at that point. Good luck with him - and be careful.
     

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