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post #11 of 15 Old 05-26-2013, 07:47 AM
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Try the simple action of just walking her forward you on the ground, and praise her for every forward movement. Then get on and ask her to move forward, maybe use the same clucking noise. If she doesn't go get off and hand lead forward.if she won't go forward on hand lead,move head a little sideways and forward again. Any forward movement lots of praise.
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post #12 of 15 Old 05-26-2013, 08:16 AM
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STOP TAPPING and begging and just 'pecking' on her to move. Be more like the boss horse in a herd that would dive at her and take a large chunk out of her butt when she refused to move when told.

I would first ground drive her in long reins. I would ground drive her out in the open and MAKE her go over logs, ditches and anywhere else I could find that she might not want to go over or through. I drive them up and down pond dams and over creeks.

1) I ASK by smooching and lightly slapping the reins on the sides of one's butt.

2) I TELL by slapping them harder or taking the ends of the long reins and hitting them pretty hard with them.

3) I make their live plum miserable and make them want to get the he!! out of there to save their lives. This, on occasion, has meant that a second person has taken a rawhide covered stock whip to a really spoiled one that was backing up and trying to kick our heads off. They have ALL figured out they should go forward anywhere we want them to.

Then, ride her the same way.

1) Ask ONCE by smooching and tapping her butt.

2) TELL her to move by hitting her harder on the butt.

3) Make her move that butt by spanking her HARD on both sides. Make her think she is luck to be alive.

I, too, use long harness leather reins. They are 'weighted' by being thick on the ends. I buy them from an Amish man that cuts them the full length of the hide with the ends being cut over butt where the leather is about 3/8 of an inch thick. [He also makes 'cowboy style pulling collars', headstalls and hobbles for us out of heavy oiled harness leather.] When you use and 'over and under' style of 'driving' a horse forward with them, they will leave welts and the horse WILL go forward.

If a horse is very spoiled (and this one is), all pecking and nagging does is makes them more resolved to will the battle. While horses do not look at refusing to go forward as 'getting out of work', they sure learn to look at it as a 'battle of wills' that they can become very determined to win. Some horses will 'work' hard enough at trying to NOT do something, that they will work themselves nearly to exhaustion fighting it. Sometimes you can just outsmart them and make the right thing easier and other times you just have to show them that bad behavior hurts and they can't win.

I have seen Parelli Horses like this that had done 'ground work' and 'played games' for many years and during that time, had refused to be ridden at all -- just like this horse. This is why I say that going 'back' to ground work is not always the answer. Some just need a good rider that does not put up with any BS from them. That's what this horse needs.

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Welts? I guess every one has their own style.
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post #14 of 15 Old 05-26-2013, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by equitate View Post
Horses do NOT stop to 'get out of work', it has to do with balance and contact. Sustain the contact tactfully, keep the horse high enough, and do not use the leg (have ground back up). WHEN the horse moves then apply the leg (associative AFTER the horse IS moving). IF you are pinching (with the leg) on a mare, they WILL learn to stop/stay rooted. THe lack of focus (for a mare) is typical, there job in life is to look for 'incomings'. Imho these are fairly typical responses for mares, but the help of a knowledgeable young horse riders/trainer might be in order.

You are wrong in thinking this. Horses and ponies will just freeze in their tracks to get out of work and has nothing to do with balance or contact either. Will also spook, bite, back up, rear, throw a fit.

Has to do with them having mind of their own, figuring out what works and using it to keep from having to do something they don't want to do. Also has to do with a rider that lets them get by with doing this.
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1) Actually read my post and responses before you respond. A few of you look like you didn't actually bother to read it with your responses. Just assume and critique.

2) If you had read it you would have seen that we found our issue. Did the same thing today with her and she is responding much better.

3) I will not cowboy her. She doesn't require being cowboy'd. She is like any other female of any species and can act like butt. I am not going to "take chunks out of her ass". Her personality does not warrant that. A light tap is all you need to get her to go forth. Hell after that light tap all she had to do was see me rustle the split reins and she get's to gettin'.

I do appreciate the advice I did receive and I modified with the suggestions. We will see with further sessions how she does. At this point with just the minor ones we have done and her finding out I have more patience than her and can be infinitely more annoying she is complying.

Again thank you.
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