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        07-23-2007, 11:35 PM
      #21
    Foal
    You're very stubborn on your view. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. But you are very alone in your views when it comes to the horse world. Relying on force is an old school of thought. The horse world today has evolved and become more realistic and seeks to communicate with the horse and create a happy partnership, not control the horse like an object. Your line of thought seems fearful and tunnel visioned.
         
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        07-24-2007, 09:21 AM
      #22
    Foal
    I very much agree w/ firelight.
         
        07-24-2007, 10:39 AM
      #23
    Foal
    Firelight is right, 3 young? I NEVER use a stud chain on a horse of any age 1 week to 30 years, I could ride my 3 year old in town. I start young horses all the time from great ones to ones that have never been handled and never use a stud chain. I think you are very fearful of the horse and YOU need some training on ground work . Or need to get a older horse, and not make such a young horse dead to things because you skip the right steps you need to take.
         
        07-24-2007, 12:07 PM
      #24
    Showing
    The farrier used stud chain on my 3 year old (she has lots of attitude). She just run mad. No need to say I won't use this farrier anymore.

    I got mine when she was 18 months old. She was the most hyper horse among 80 horses at the farm (not a joke) plus almost no handling (never was brushed/cleaned/only limited leads). Never used chain on her and started using rope halter only month after I got her (started ground training). Before that just wide nylon halter was enough.

    Harsh methods are not good (however I do loose patience sometime :) )
         
        07-24-2007, 12:55 PM
      #25
    Foal
    Not to change the subject, but I had to comment on your farrier issue. I don't know about other areas, but in my area (southern oregon) its so hard to find a good farrier that sticks around or doesn't get so booked its hard to get him out to your place!

    Our neighbor was a farrier. He was an older guy and relied on the "violence is everything" old-school train of thought. I had a little 3 yr. Old buckskin mare, who was great with her feet. I could pick them up, hold them, clean them, etc. This guy came out and was very rough and she didn't like him. She kept pulling away so he yanked the crap out of her and nearly made her fall down just from yanking. I tried to tell him to stop but he wouldnt listen. After that we had a hard time handling her feet because she had gotten scared. It only took a couple of weeks to re-assure her that it was a one time experience and people handling her feet was ok....We never used that farrier again either!

    (I liked the young farrier we had. He was good, and when he came to trim our horses feet my girl friends made sure to come over and watch the event. -_^ Excuse me while I go drool from reminiscing. Lol. ) He ended up leaving the valley though, it was very sad. Now the farrier we have has a huge handlebar mustache. He's very good though.
         
        07-24-2007, 01:16 PM
      #26
    Yearling
    Look im not going to be mean to her or force her it's just that I don't have a place to train her with any rope halter yet. I have a rope halter to work with her but I can't work with her until I purchase her. And once I purchase her I'm taking her to the boarding facility. When can I train her? The trailer? I'm just using one to get her there without killing me, then I'll use the rope halter. You know rope halters are more severe than stud chains. Ask the pro's.
         
        07-24-2007, 01:58 PM
      #27
    Yearling
    What pros? I am sorry, but I disgree based on sheer mechanics of the two different tools. I suppose any tool can be made to be harsh depending on how it is used, BUT rope halters are soft, light weight, and somewhat loose when pressure is not being applied. Yes, they are effective at applying pressure to points when needed. Rope knots applying pressure are different than metal chain links. If a human were to loose their temper and jerk a chain hard, it would inflict much more pain and reaction from the horse than if the same was done with a rope halter.

    I also have to disagree with the implication that mares are more "hyper" than stallions. I can promise you that my young stallion becomes very hyper in new places, BUT he listens to what I ask him to do, he is respectful, and he moves his feet where I ask. I believe it is likely that a stallion is more of a POTENTIAL hazzard in public places than a mare. I also feel that a stallion will try to test limits more. I am of course generalizing - you really must consider the individual horse rather than its sex. I have expected my horse to behave in public, and practiced skills to help me do that, and what do you know - I don't need a chain to take him places.

    You are not planning to trailer with a chain on are you? I see accident and tramitized horse written all over that. Otherwise, it might be an appropriate situation to use a chain - if you already have the confidence to use it properly, and not overuse it, which seems unsure. Is is possible to go to the place of purchase an hour early, or even a few times before you move her? You could do some ground work with her ahead of time, and start building a relationship based on respect and trust. I don't think slapping a stud chain on is the best way to start a new relationship if it can be avoided. Having an arena or round pen can be helpful, but not necessary. Any somewhat flat, clear area of ground will do. It sounds like it might be worth your time and money to take a few lessons in this department to give you some cool "tools". Maybe you could even try to set up a lesson with a trainer who will come out with you before you move your new horse.

    Good luck with your new relationship - I'm sure you will make a decision that works well for you and your new friend.
         
        07-24-2007, 03:22 PM
      #28
    Foal
    Doesn't your stables have a round pen or arena that you could practice in? And no, rope halters are not more harsh. What "experts" do you speak with? They don't sound very knowledgable (spelling...) How small are you in comparison to the horse? Could it be that you don't have the strenth/stature if she got too excited? If that's the case, maybe you should have someone else lead her into the pen and then work with her there, so if she got loose you wouldn't have to worry. If you are small or not very strong (I myself am a short person, we gotta stick up for each other :) ) then perhaps for now the stud chain would be fine if it gives you an extra sense of security when leading her to and from things. But I beg of you to take if off once you get into an enclosed area, and start working with her without the chain so that in the future you won't feel that you need it. Good luck!
         
        07-24-2007, 03:33 PM
      #29
    Started
    This is a rather confusing thread...at first I assumed you already owned the mare. Now it looks like you don't have her yet and are just getting ready purchase and ship her to her new home?
         
        07-24-2007, 08:28 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    Omg you guys don't get it. If you leave a rope halter on, it cuts into them with preasure. Also the pros I speak about and judges at APHA & AQHA say that lead shanks when put over the nose (which is what I will do) help a horse that rears, when put over the gums, puts preasure on a point that soothes the horse. And under the jaw looks good in the show ring. I was simply asking how to attach it but seeing as all I had was shame, I just looked it up.

    Oh and AKPaintLover, I'm not going to trailer Touche' with a stud chain you think im an idiot?
    And I've been on more tempermental mares and fillies than colts and stallions.
    I learned to ride on a green 2 year old stud colt. He was very gentle and so was the other 3 year old stud colt I rode at a different place.
         

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