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Such a Thing as Too Much Forwardness on Road/Trail?

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  • Horses too forward on the trail

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    03-10-2013, 07:41 PM
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Weanling
Such a Thing as Too Much Forwardness on Road/Trail?

My BO said my horse would have more respect for me if I got off and led him instead of making him work through an issue (in this case being barn sour while out on the trail/road). I think otherwise and now know when he's being a butthead vs. genuinely afraid.

However when he gets sticky, I am more confident that using my seat legs and a swat from my stick will unstick him. Thing is, he'll trot forward and keep trotting forward. Sometimes he will try and continually jog forward. He will walk if I ask him to but may start up trotting un-asked again. He got into a real sweat yesterday doing this. Since he was being a twit, I asked him walk forward, halt, turn back toward home, walk forward, halt, turn around again, several times. He was ok and didn't toss his head much at all. Oh and his pace is 12341234 real quick. Should I let this trot forward on the road go unchecked?
     
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    03-10-2013, 07:54 PM
  #2
Trained
No. You asked for a walk, make him walk. And unless you feel unsafe on the horse's back, don't get off & lead him, work it out under saddle. It's spring, just keep working with your horse, his spring fling will fade and you will have an obedient trail horse soon.
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    03-10-2013, 08:12 PM
  #3
Yearling
Forward and fast are two different things. Too fast is bad, too forward does not exist.
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    03-10-2013, 08:21 PM
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Green Broke
My gelding Sunny would do this.. mainly because I was teaching barrels and moving him way to fast... What some Users on herre told me to do. Was as soon as he was to speed up(trot) make him to circles.. not big circles.. but not to small either.. until he is calm again.. walking.. and then slowly make the circles bigger until your headed the direction you wanna go.. if he speeds up.. continue with the circles.. now. I have Sunny walking.. REALLY slow.. like crazy.. sometimes I have to click to make him walk faster:).. it can get dizzy though haha:). Just a suggestion:)
     
    03-10-2013, 08:23 PM
  #5
Trained
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Originally Posted by livelovelaughride    
My BO said my horse would have more respect for me if I got off and led him instead of making him work through an issue (in this case being barn sour while out on the trail/road). I think otherwise and now know when he's being a butthead vs. genuinely afraid.
I would want to get to the bottom of WHY he's being a 'butthead' though first - eg. If he's not afraid, are you absolutely certain he's not hurting from a bad back, saddle, hooves, etc?? Once you work out why, you can address the cause too, rather than just the symptom - eg. He may see taking you out as unpleasant Work. What can you do to change his attitude into seeing it as enjoyable & fun?

I think it very much depends on the specifics. I presume by 'barn sour' you just mean he doesn't want to go out alone with you? I do like to ensure they're comfortable with stuff when I'm on the ground before riding, and riding in an area they're comfortable, so I'd be taking him out for walks on lead & also riding him at the barn before riding out. But assuming he is fine in that situation & it's only when you're riding, then you're not going to teach him to 'respect' you up there if every time he plays up you get off.




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However when he gets sticky, I am more confident that using my seat legs and a swat from my stick will unstick him. Thing is, he'll trot forward and keep trotting forward. Sometimes he will try and continually jog forward. He will walk if I ask him to but may start up trotting un-asked again. He got into a real sweat yesterday doing this.
Instead of 'giving him a swat' I would tend to tap lightly but repetitively until he *starts* to move, then accept and reinforce what you get, before asking for more. I find it tends to get more of a response & less of a reaction. If he's jumping forward into a trot, keeps trying to trot, getting into a lather, I'm betting there's either fear or pain(or both) involved.

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Since he was being a twit, I asked him walk forward, halt, turn back toward home, walk forward, halt, turn around again, several times.
Assuming you rule out pain, sounds like a good tactic to me & don't ask too much of him until he can confidently & comfortably do these sort of basics.

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He was ok and didn't toss his head much at all.
Teeth &/or bit problems, &/or you're too heavy on the reins &/or he's been used to arguing with a heavy handed someone...

Oh and his pace is 12341234 real quick. Should I let this trot forward on the road go unchecked?[/QUOTE]
     
    03-10-2013, 08:24 PM
  #6
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I am having some "spring fling" issues, too. Z is very forward on the trail. I like forward, but if he is so forward thinking, I.e. He is all about getting home as fast as possible, then I do not feel able to access him very well. It's times like those that he may spook before I know it. Forward is fine, but not the tense, flat all-out "home or nothin'" kind of forward.

I had to use disengagement after diseneagement on the way home last night. And then offer him a loose rein to see if I can trust him. Let him go forward, let him get going too fast, disengage, wait for him to soften on the bit , ask him to stand on a loose rein and wait until I ask for a walk off, and give a long rein . . . Rinse and repeat. I didn't even try this at a trot because I knew if I was having this much trouble keeping him mentally with me at a walk, it would be nothing but a pulling contest at the trot.

I have been riding him a LOT lately, so it's not freshness. All I can guess is that the spring grass (very green here now) is making him hyper.
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    03-10-2013, 08:40 PM
  #7
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
he is all about getting home as fast as possible,
My horse is the opposite, especially when he's most full of beans. We may go out like a train, go exploring, ride into town, wherever, then when I turn his head for home, he dawdles & meanders if I let him, wants to turn around & go see the sights again!
     
    03-10-2013, 08:43 PM
  #8
Green Broke
^^ Lucky.. haha
     
    03-10-2013, 09:06 PM
  #9
Trained
I think it takes more than luck. I'm always particular about teaching the horse that going out with me is one of the Good Things in life It's the ones that get left home alone that carry on when I go out with somebody.
     

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