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        06-27-2014, 10:50 PM
    suggestions needed

    A girl that boards with us has a horse she has been riding for about 4 months now. This horse had an attitude about everything. Ask her to do more than walk, she would pin her ears, cow kick or try to bite a leg. She now w/t/c both ways in round pen or arena, will go over or around anything, no attitude. We took her for her first trail ride, she did great, followed along, no spook, listening great. The next trail ride, she did not want to go forward. She would not follow the other horses, kept trying to go back home. We ended up ponying her the rest of the way. Next ride, she freaked out tied to the trailer, flipped over and broke her lead, and took off. She didn't even care she was in a strange place and the other horses were at the trailer. Finally caught her, started ride, she still didn't want to follow. We ponied again. Next ride we took her to our pasture that has some decent hills. She refused to go up, working her at the bottom and working our way up finally got her up. Her owner started riding her in the arena more, she started rearing when she didn't want to do something. This scared her owner, they got worse to the point she was almost going over backwards. The next day I started ground driving her. We came to something she didn't want to do, she went up and got a sting on the butt with my whip. This pissed her off, she proceeded to go up at least 15 times until she finally shot forward and did as asked. A simple left circle at a trot. At the end of the session she dropped the attitude and did everything she was told, relaxed and happy. After a week of ground driving mixed with riding, she is perfect in the arena and around the property. We decided to ground drive her on the trails. She had a complete meltdown. Rearing, running backwards, trying to spin around to go home, she was horrible. She flat out refused to take one step forward. She did at least a mile of backing up without taking any chances given to turn and go forward. She finally took three steps forward with a lot of encouragement, I made a huge deal out of it, let her rest, then turned her around and went home.
    Today I rode her in the arena, she was great. Then I asked her to walk down the driveway that takes us to our trail, like normal she didn't want to leave home. After ten minutes of stopping her attempts to back up or turn around, she finally went forward. I then jumped off, lossened her cinch, and led her back.

    I have never met a horse that fights like she does. She could care less about any other horse, she just wants to be home. Circles don't work anymore, spanking to get forward movement doesn't work, the only thing that does work is backing her up or blocking her moves until she decides to go forward. I am so messed up with her, I am willing to try clicker training. Any ideas?
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        06-27-2014, 10:54 PM
    Have this horse had a thorough vet exam?

    Seen by a chiropractor?

    Up to date on dental work?

    Rule out pain before thinking it's a behavioral thing. She's trying to tell you very well could be that she's hurting somewhere. And if she's not, then you can proceed forward with another training approach for handling her poor behavior.
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        06-27-2014, 10:55 PM
    Cherie wrote about this before, rearing and ground driving. She tied a heavy tractor tire to the saddle and ground drove the horse like that. Sometimes she needed another person to help her get that horse going & pulling, she said it's not for the faint of heart. When the horse was pulling, and when it's head went down and started engaging it's rear end, and she could direct the horse anywhere without refusal, she would get on & ride it.
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        06-27-2014, 10:58 PM
    Sorry, forgot to mention that. She is current on teeth, saddle fitting, thorough vet check. Her owner wanted to make sure it wasn't pain before she asked me for help.
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        06-27-2014, 11:01 PM
    The ground driving was not pretty. She absolutely refuses to go forward. In the round pen and arena, she got over it. On the trail, I thought she would kill herself first
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        06-27-2014, 11:04 PM
    Green Broke
    Sounds like an older version of my dangerous baby.

    I'd suggest laying her down a few times then when you get on crank her nose to your knee and get after her like she just killed someone. Id make her spin circles still she decides going forward is a better option than getting whooped on and spun.
        06-27-2014, 11:11 PM
    She is dangerous. Spinning her in circles works until she has enough of it, and either refuses to move at all, or rips the reins out of your hand and rears up. I have never seen a horse evade work like she does. She gets the meanest look on her face, when that face is on it is like trying to give a cat a bath.
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        06-27-2014, 11:15 PM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by TimWhit91    
    She is dangerous. Spinning her in circles works until she has enough of it, and either refuses to move at all, or rips the reins out of your hand and rears up. I have never seen a horse evade work like she does. She gets the meanest look on her face, when that face is on it is like trying to give a cat a bath.
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    Ok, read this.

    Do not let that mare rear. Horses need to be relatively straight to rear or buck. DO NOT let her take her face away from you. Be as nasty as she is.

    My dangerous baby situation is exactly like this one, only he was 2. I had to ride with one hand on the inside rein holding his face to my foot, the other on the back of the saddle, with my outside foot out of the stirrup ready to bail if I had to. I was being followed by someone with a whip and I would over and under him ever time he hesitated moving.

    Once she starts to move her feet, stop pushing her. She needs to understand you WILL fight harder than her. You're not going to break this horse, it's not glass. Pull on her and make her move those feet.
        06-27-2014, 11:16 PM
    Green Broke
    If this is anything like I dealt with, I'd suggest getting a professional involved ASAP.
        06-27-2014, 11:31 PM
    I know I won't break her. But a whip isn't doing anything, I think it would take a cattle prod to change her mind. If she doesn't want to go, she doesn't think. She doesn't watch where she is going, she is just hell bent on going the way she wants. And this horse can rear with her head bent. And if you don't give her her head she will just fall over sideways since her head is pulled around. I don't think all the
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