Originally Posted by MaggiStar
Sometimes there is no solution if my horse can't be held and is a danger to herself,me and others I will keep going harsher until I have a controlable horse.
This is the LAST thing I would do. Think about it. If I started having problems with one of my reiners. Say running full speed at the end gate and asking for a stop and I do not get it. I already have a myler cathedral port bit in their mouth or something very similar. You can not get much more then that. That bit has NOTHING to do with stopping that horse. It is for very subtle control and cues. Going harsher would serve no purpose. Like has been stated. Get into a controlled area and go back to basics. When I start having a problem with one of my horses even a finished horse I go down in bit. At times even back to a snaffle. Get them responding.
Keep in mind a horse NEVER gets a hard mouth but rather a hard mind. You can put what ever bit you want in his mouth. Heck you could put a running chain saw in his mouth and if you do not have control of his mind it will make no difference. At least not in the long run. If you move up with out fixing the problem it will come back and at some point you will run out of rope and end up just hanging yourself and your horse.