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  • The horse is too dangerous, but I love her
  • When is a horse too dangerous to keep

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    07-06-2012, 10:21 PM
  #11
Banned
Well my dad has a friend that is a trainer and he is saying that she knows what I don't know and that she is taking advantage of it, cause im not a experienced as her old owners
     
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    07-06-2012, 10:24 PM
  #12
Weanling
You might want to listen , I love my babies to but as inexperinced as I am , if they were doing dangerous things like that with me or my children on them , the horse would have to go . You could sell her to someone who would be able to handle her and get you a calmer horse. Are you parents willing to bring someone down there to help fix the problem? I don't think you alone will be able to fix it .
     
    07-06-2012, 10:25 PM
  #13
Yearling
Somehow, in that month, she learned that she could totally disrespect you. That's why you need an experienced trainer to come out and sort her out. While the trainer's there, they can watch how you interract with the horse and make suggestions about either re-establishing leadership or possibly finding a more appropriate home for this horse. At 13, I don't care how many horses you have had, you are obviously in over your head with this one. I'm not being mean. As possum said, right now, this horse is too dangerous for you to be messing with her. A horse doesn't have to be abused to behave badly. It's why I never get into a tugging match with my horse...I don't want him to ever figure out how much stronger he is. Once they learn that...you have a real issue on your hands. GET HELP before you get hurt worse than you already have been.
     
    07-06-2012, 10:29 PM
  #14
Yearling
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Originally Posted by UpAndAbove    
My parents are at home, they say that they want to sell her and that she is too dangerous but I don't listen, I love her to bits I wanna keep her and fix it
Listen to your parents. I don't care how much you love this horse, you aren't at a stage where you can fix her. Your father's friend is probably spot on. At 13 there is no way you could have the experience you need to deal with this animal. LOVE isn't going to do it.

Remember this: You can love a horse to death, but it's usually the horse that survives.
     
    07-06-2012, 10:30 PM
  #15
Showing
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Originally Posted by Calming Melody    
I might be wrong , but I thought arabians were hot heads so to speak ? I have never owned one before and I don't mean to offend anyone
Calming yes, some Arabs are hot and can be a handful. Not all of them by a long shot, but since they're so darned smart and sensitive, they can easily take over a situation and take advantage of an inexperienced rider/owner.

Even the most calm, laid back Arab can take advantage if they see an opportunity. My heart horse was a wonderful mount and companion, but he and I for many years had discussions over just who was in charge. It always turned out to be me. The 3 horses I have now are also in agreement that's it's me.
     
    07-06-2012, 10:32 PM
  #16
Weanling
Omigoodness. This is very dangerous, indeed.
I agree with the assessment that she has learned that she doesn't have to respect you, and that she is boss. This will end very badly for both of you, I'm afraid.

I know you'd like to keep her, but my honest opinion is that you probably have a lot to learn in terms of how to be a good leader with a horse, and this is NOT the horse to learn on.

The horse needs to be sold to someone who is experienced.
     
    07-06-2012, 10:32 PM
  #17
Showing
Okay here comes Mean Miss Sky...

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Originally Posted by UpAndAbove    
she would do anything for me and she respected me in every way. Now she is a compleatly differnet horse. Now she is dangerous, disrespectful, and she thinks she is the boss.

It takes me like 20 minutes to catch her,

She breaks the crossties every time she is tied up,

It takes forerver to put her bridle on she bobs her head to avoid the bridle and it is very difficult to get the headstall over her head, and when I eventually do I have to FORCE the bit into her mouth,

EVERY time I bring her to the mounting block she swings her butt around and turns to avoid me getting on her.

When I put my foot in the stirrup to mount without the block, she turns and wont let me get on, she pivots around.

When I ride her bareback she turns away from the mounting block and when I finally get on her she bucksand rears to throw me off.

When I try to lunge her I swing the line around to get her going, but she does not move, I do the same with the whip but it doesnt work. And I tap her with it but she doesnt move. Sometimes she makes me sooo mad that I whip her with it and then I regret it.

Once she was fine with me mounting and when I leaned to put the stirrup in she bolted as fast as she could, (she is a super fast arab) and she would not stop, the more I pulled and yelled the faster she ran,

PLEASE HELP!!! She is like a different horse. she doesent respect me anymore

She was perfect the first 3 weeks or so but now she is very bad and disrespectful.

What can I do to reverse all of this and bring everything back to normal
Per the bold, she never respected you. She just did what her leader asked and trusted THEM and once this horse found out that you were their new potential leader, this horse began to test you.

They do this in their herd too. It's called a pecking order. You currently are at the bottom.

Step up and be the leader that she's obviously not convinced that you are. All of these things I've omitted are you trying to explain the situation. How you didn't hurt her, abuse her, how she pisses you off or makes you angry.

That is NOT how you handle a horse. You don't scream with a bolting horse. You don't bribe a horse to open their mouth. You don't hop tentatively ask a horse to move forward when you "lunge"

You are seriously out horsed based on your understanding of horses.

Is this your first horse? What made you buy a horse?

She sounds like a typical horse testing you to see if you're the type she can trust to keep her ALIVE (they're prey animals) and so far you're falling short.

Find a trainer to work WITH you and this horse, if you intend to keep her. I mean SERIOUSLY work with her. Watch horses in pasture, learn how they communicate.

She did not change. In previous care she had a leader that looked out for her and so far she isn't impressed with your lack of horse communication and understanding.

Don't even ride her until you can handle her on the ground. You're going to get yourself killed if you keep this up.
     
    07-06-2012, 10:37 PM
  #18
Showing
She didn't suddenly change overnight. She was using her time to size you up, getting away with a few things, perhaps barely noticed by you or if you did, you didn't act upon it. As time went by I'll be she just kept adding to her pile until one day she decided she was not going to do your beckoning, that she was boss hoss, not you. The trainer needs to gain the horse's respect and he may have to get tough with the horse and you may not like it but do try to refrain from commenting. Then he needs to work with you with a different horse if available, then you and your horse to develop your skills.
     
    07-06-2012, 10:37 PM
  #19
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
Okay here comes Mean Miss Sky...



Per the bold, she never respected you. She just did what her leader asked and trusted THEM and once this horse found out that you were their new potential leader, this horse began to test you.

They do this in their herd too. It's called a pecking order. You currently are at the bottom.

Step up and be the leader that she's obviously not convinced that you are. All of these things I've omitted are you trying to explain the situation. How you didn't hurt her, abuse her, how she pisses you off or makes you angry.

That is NOT how you handle a horse. You don't scream with a bolting horse. You don't bribe a horse to open their mouth. You don't hop tentatively ask a horse to move forward when you "lunge"

You are seriously out horsed based on your understanding of horses.

Is this your first horse? What made you buy a horse?

She sounds like a typical horse testing you to see if you're the type she can trust to keep her ALIVE (they're prey animals) and so far you're falling short.

Find a trainer to work WITH you and this horse, if you intend to keep her. I mean SERIOUSLY work with her. Watch horses in pasture, learn how they communicate.

She did not change. In previous care she had a leader that looked out for her and so far she isn't impressed with your lack of horse communication and understanding.

Don't even ride her until you can handle her on the ground. You're going to get yourself killed if you keep this up.
I usually don't question your advice, Sky, you are more well-versed than I. But... should she even try? If it's her first horse, it sounds like a pretty big project. I know there are a few crazy success stories out there, but the odds are pretty stacked.

It sounds like she has a lot to learn about horses in general, and should probably stick to taking lessons until she gets her leadership skills down. No?
     
    07-06-2012, 10:47 PM
  #20
Weanling
I have been told by a lot of people ( I am new at this as well ) that when a horse tests you , you don't let the win , even if it's something "little" . They will think that if they can get away with that , then it escalates to worse stuff. Listen to what the people on here tell you , I post threads on here all the time and some of the people on your thread has given me some really good advice and have learned alot from them!
     

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