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post #81 of 85 Old 07-07-2012, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by UpAndAbove View Post
Thank you soo much for your advice. and i feel very ashamed for how i acted, and how can i get her to love me withought spoiling her. because i had a old 30 year old mare and i would spoil her and love her soo much that she thought she would not need to listen to me. but she was a companion horse and was not intended to be ridden. so i did not really worry about it. i know i dont have much experience but she is very gentle when i am not on her, so how can i make her love me? can i lead her through my trails and let her graze and stuff? how can i get her to trust and bond with me. i am very ashamed of myself and if i try to bond with her will she forget the past if i dont do it again?? she is very good at leading she will go werever i want her to go even over scary stuff

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I have an old gelding and I spoil him horribly, BUT I never forget to maintain quiet yet confident leadership. I started by creating a routine and building trust with small stuff, and slowly exhibited to him that I am, indeed, a good leader. After the trust and respect was built, the love flourished. I had a good while to work at this because he was malnourished and unfit for riding at first until I nursed him back to health.

You're young, and need experience! You need a trainer, somebody who can help you learn how to interact with your horse. Stay off your horse until you get expert help. It's not your size dear, it's your "presence." Horses are exerts at reading human body language and emotions. I'm 5 feet tall and my big gelding behaves himself, but I project myself as a worthy and capable leader and I actually feel like one - otherwise he'd know I was faking it and he'd exploit it.

Love of all things equine is AWESOME and there are some great books out there on building trust and establishing quiet yet confident leadership with your horse without using aggression - but books don't take the place of a professional trainer!!!

Please don't give up and "just get a dog." BUT please don't jeopardize your safety either! Read, learn, and seek expert guidance. You may find that you and your horse aren't the right "fit" and that perhaps an older, gentler horse would be a better fit?
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post #82 of 85 Old 07-07-2012, 03:02 PM
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I would agree to getting professional help. Though is it possible some idiots got into your pasture during the night and messed with her? I once had some idiots come into my pasture during the day, but I have a lot of wooded area and they tried to get on my mare bareback but she wouldn't stand still so they started throwing things at her and made her run off.

Its a horrible reality, but people do do that. Especially young teenagers that are trying to "prove" themselves to their friends.
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post #83 of 85 Old 07-07-2012, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pepsipop View Post
sorry just frustrating. But the young lady in some of the other threads seems to be asking if she needs to smack the pony. Arabs are funny ones and have a memory of an elephant they dont forget. I also see that her parents ride and have several horses. I cannot think that they cant help her.
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Many people - & maybe OP's parents - are indeed still of the 'make em' or 'hit em' mindset, so don't blame her, just inform her what better methods there can be
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post #84 of 85 Old 07-07-2012, 11:13 PM
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When a perfectly behaved horse suddenly becomes unruly and seems to be avoiding anything that invoves you riding her, either she's in pain or you riding her is causing her pain (ill fitting saddle, heavy hands, over-bitted)...though her behavior is bad, she's not a bad horse.

An ill fitting saddle can cause pain even AFTER it is removed. A saddle that pinches would cause your horse move differently to compensate and cause chronic problems in her back. An ill fitting saddle foe you could cause you to sit unevenly and cause problems as well.

For your horse's well-being and for your own safety have a vet come out, a chiropractor and someone who is experienced in saddle fitting. Should they not find anything, find a GOOD trainer who teaches prevention of these behaviors (a quiet horse is not always obedient, but an obedient horse is always quiet).

The worst thing you can do is instantly assume it's a personality problem. Make sure it's not a physical problem before working on the personality. I have known some horses who became so unruly and angry and the problem was found in the atlas and axis of the spine (where skull attaches to spine). Once work was done to resolve issues in the atlas and axis, the bad behavior stopped.

If you worked on the personality issues now without making sure she is physically sound, you can cause much more damage then good. This horse might be telling you she is unhappy and in pain, stop and listen to her.

Good luck!
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post #85 of 85 Old 07-07-2012, 11:31 PM
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I'll be the bad guy and just say it.

Get rid of the darn horse.

"But I love her!" Is no excuse. Many new equestrians get drawn into the beauty of an arabian without the actual knowledge, mental strength and ability to handle one.

You need a soft headed, 15 year old QH, TWH, Paint, Appaloosa, Grade, POA, SOMETHING OTHER THAN A YOUNG ARABIAN.

You don't love her. You love the idea of her. You love her beauty. You love her spit and fire. You need to swallow your teenage pride, admit you are over-horsed and replace her with something you can handle long term.

The trainer comes in, "corrects" the situation, and leaves. You go back into the same routine of bribing her into being nice, she goes back into the routine of trampling all over you.

Get rid of her before your lack of knowledge ruins her for her next owner.

I have seen SO MANY young horse back riders, or NEW equestrians buy arabians and NEVER ride them because those horses rule the roost and they have no idea how to handle them.

Its not IF you get hurt. Its WHEN YOU GET HURT. A trainer will NOT stop that horse from hurting you. A trainer can not give you YEARS of experience in just a few sessions. You will not learn how to become a lead mare and KEEP the lead mare status in just a month or two of professional help.

Get rid of that horse LIKE YOUR PARENTS (WHO KNOW MORE ABOUT YOUR SAFETY THAN YOU DO) told you to, before that horse hurts you, and hurts her chance at finding a better owner.

If you were my kid, you would have NO say in whether you kept that horse. Stop arguing with your parents. They know better than you, and this is the wrong WRONG animal for you.

There, it had to be said. I'm the bad guy. I'm cool with it.

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