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        01-05-2009, 01:52 AM
    SORING. Enough said.

    My strangest one came from an Appoloosa owner/breeder/"trainer". I have a gorgeous App/QH mare he wanted, even though she has a club hoof. I know nothing about the breed, but I love my pasture ornament and intend to get a Walkaloosa out of her a while from now. I was talking to him about my Walker filly (Pusher's Boss Lady) who at that time had a rebellious streak that she's now grown out of. The entire time he was telling me this, his out of control stallion was racing around his pen, which was made out of chainlink fence, trying to break through it to get to a mare. He suggested throwing her to the ground and sitting on her, teaching her that she needed to depend on me for food, water, air, to be able to pass urine and manure, to live. He suggested 5 hours. She was 2 months old at the time.

    Next to that is the suggestion to tie bells or noise making beads to a newborn foal's mane, then their feet, then tail, then halter, then on a make-shift surcingle. I'm sure this has some sort of strange wisdom, but both horse and handler would be going out of their minds with the jingling noise after the first 30 seconds. Along this same line is a video I once saw of a horse for sale. They were walking him (believe it was a gelding) down the side of a busy road with two 2L soda bottles with noise makers in them hanging off the side of their bridle, hitting him in the side of the jaw with every head bob. They took down the video, otherwise I would definitely show it here. It was a sight!
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        01-05-2009, 03:09 AM
    I had a pony that had the halter cutting into the side of her face, I literally had to cut it off her face. I let her head heal (took like 3 months) and fed her and groomed and worked with her until her face healed. After she was all healed up, she was NOT going to let you put a halter on her, no way! So, I stood at her stall door when they came into feed. The moment she saw me with the halter, she turned away from me. The minute she did that, I closed her stall door, and she missed a meal. (Now, mind you, she has constant access to water and hay and a big pasture). The next meal came up (they get fed three times a day) and I stood outside her stall, she came up, saw the halter, did an about face, and I shut her door. She missed another meal. That evening, she came up, edged closer to me, but when I moved towards her, she turned away, and I shut the door. This went on the same way the next day. By the evening of the next day, she was really wanting her sweet feed. She walked up to me, and while tense as a board, she let me approach her, holding the halter. Since she didn't move away, I patted her, watching for ANY turn away (that wudda meant the door being shut) but she didn't. I walked off (halter still on my shoulder) and let her enter and eat. Didn't take her long to figger it out, if she turned away from me once I quietly shut the door and left. Soon I was able to walk right up to her, carrying the halter. Once we got that far, then I worked on actually puttin it on her. She came up to me, I was standing at her shoulder petting her, but when I touched the halter on my shoulder to slide it down, she turned away. Door was shut and I left. She figgered it out quick, tho, and only missed 2 meals. Then, came the time, she stood there, let me pet her, let me slide the halter off my shoulder, and put her nose in it, and buckle it, and she didn't move away. I let her eat with her halter on, and took it off before she was let back outta the stall. She always had to put her halter on to eat after that, but she was never halter sour again. She was the most extreme case I have ever dealt with about the halter issue, but it is to be understood.

    Sorry so long, but I wanted to show how food can definitely be used to influence the behavior of a horse, but NEVER would I starve or dehydrate a horse for any reason. They may miss a meal to get a point, but they would ALWAYS have access to hay and water, always.

    Supposedly if a horse has a rearing problem, you fill a glass bottle (not a real thick one like a coke bottle, but a thin one) and when the horse rears, and is the topmost part of his rear, you bust the bottle on his head. From going up and hitting something in the blue, and the water dripping down is supposed to make them think it is their own blood, is supposed to stop a horse from rearing. I would never try it, I have much longer taking but more effiecient means of training a horse to not rear. But I have heard some swear by it. Seems to me you would not only have a rearer, but a headshy one at that.

    Also, the tail is supposed to be tied with a slipknot around the horse's head, or so I heard, so when he puts his head down he chokes himself. Again, not a method I would ever try, I have learned other ways to deal with bucking as well (that was supposed to be for bucking, btw, when he puts his head down to buck he gets choked.)

    I don't like any training method that will make a horse not want you around. Some of my methods are a tuff at first, but never do I use pain, and I barely use fear.

    I have seen real, serious abuse called 'training,' and done by so-called professionals. They CAN get some immediate results, but still have dangerous or lethal long term outcomes......
        01-05-2009, 07:58 AM
    I was never told to do this but my Dad got a horse many years ago from a trainer who was supposed to be making a WP horse out of him. Dandy Big Step came to us skinny and afraid and unable to lift his head above the height of his withers. To promote the "proper head carriage", the supposed trainer wrapped wire around his head over the poll and around the forehead down to the throat latch. There, he would attach a cable that was hooked to hobbles on his hocks. Every time the horse took a step, the cable would yank his head down almost to his knees. It took months of care and rehab before the horse was even rideable. Eventually, he made an excellent roping, reining, working cow horse. Never did WP. He carried the scars on his poll and forehead until the day that he died.
        01-05-2009, 05:26 PM
    It really amazes me how people can go about doing these horrible things, think it's right and then pass it on to others expecting they'll be stupid enough to do it also.
    The rearing things, I've heard it all. I have a rearing pony, she leaps more so, but as soon as she lands she sometimes just goes back up and can go quite upright when she wants to. I was told all the tricks in the book, and even told to carry and egg and smash it over her head when it happens. Why on earth do people think that when you're horse is up in mid air, you're just going to pull an egg (that has somehow not smashed in your pocket from all the movement) and wack it over the horse's head?! To me that sounds like more danger, spooking the horse and asking for bolting, or more misbehaviour! I was also told that I could carry a dressage whip and whilst my rider was on my pony, if she went up, to smack her with it! Are you kidding me?!

    Bailey still rears, but not nearly as much as she used to, in fact its a rare occurence these days... how I 'cured' it to a more managable stage? Don't let her think about it... if she's going forward and into my hand, she hasn't got the time to go up. I stay a step ahead and make sure she can't think about anything but her work. And if she starts misbehaving, she's spun around on her hindquarters (with being asked forward at the same time so she can't think about stopping) and then pushed forward again, so she has no chance. Now, most days I don't even have to focus on that simply because she figured out it only ends up in her being pushed until she settles and works happily. Since taking on a new 'praise system' with her, she's so happy and accepting to work (licks and chews to show signs of acceptance to the situation), the rearing out of boredom and 'haha I'm stronger than you and I don't want to work anymore' attitude has gone away!
        01-05-2009, 05:35 PM
    Green Broke
    I've had a lot.. but I think the worst was to smack the mule as hard as I could with a riding crop IN THE FACE when I rode passed his pen while on another horse... I didn't do it and got yelled at, but I'm glad I didn't.
        01-05-2009, 07:34 PM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by mlkarel2010    
    I've had a lot.. but I think the worst was to smack the mule as hard as I could with a riding crop IN THE FACE when I rode passed his pen while on another horse... I didn't do it and got yelled at, but I'm glad I didn't.
    y would they want you to smack him?
        01-05-2009, 07:47 PM
    Green Broke
    Because he had his head over the fence. It didn't bother me but my trainer obviously thought it was a problem.
        01-05-2009, 07:57 PM
    To help with rearing, I was told that if you take eggs, let them sit in the sun for a while to warm up, and crack them over their head when they went up, it'll keep them down bc they thought that they were bleeding... not as intense as smashing a glass bottle on their head but same idea.. LOL
        01-05-2009, 07:57 PM
    The bad part is that a lot of this really bad advice was probably used on horses at times. People can be so stupid and cruel!
        01-05-2009, 08:17 PM
    Originally Posted by saddleEMupCOWGURL    
    To help with rearing, I was told that if you take eggs, let them sit in the sun for a while to warm up, and crack them over their head when they went up, it'll keep them down bc they thought that they were bleeding... not as intense as smashing a glass bottle on their head but same idea.. LOL

    I still don't see it as a thing to do in a situation like that. It's only in my opinion going to make the horse panic.

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