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        08-27-2011, 04:11 PM
      #1
    Weanling
    The sweetest being on this world or a monster? Want to take bets? :P lol...

    I was hand grazing Candy and had pony loose with me (he was wearing a grazing muzzle, since he is prone to laminitis). He has quite a past, being a rescue pony, but to keep it short, lets just say he became a pony to cuddle from a rearer, biter, etc. You have the idea.

    Well I was there holding the lead of my mare and scratching pony (he still didn't learn how to eat with the muzzle, so nothing to do for him), everything was fine. He walked and trot around a little and after a while my mom came. She doesn't want to work with him (she's scared), but she cleans his stall every morning and lets him out without big problems.
    But now he wanted a bit of fun I guess. Her body language was clearly showing she is not comfortable with going beside him to me (we were few meters apart), but she did it anyway. He put his ears down when he saw she is afraid and you know what she did?

    She backed off.
    He lunged at her and reared. Then he reared the second time. And third. He missed her for few inches. She then yelled and ran to hide behind me. He stopped before me and was again the nicest pony with perfect behaviour.
    She didn't know how to get back to the house, because every time she went few meters away from me, he started walking to her with ears down.
    She managed to escape some other way and waited for us to come back to the stable. She asked if she can work with him and of course I said yes (this wasn't the first time he reared on her, it happened months ago and I told her it was going to happen again, even worse, if she won't start working with him, but she did it twice then stopped).

    We went to lunge him and it went quite well. She was lunging him, but I was standing very near. He behaved perfectly, but you should see her body language. It was messed up and I was telling her what to do the whole time. She was veeeery nervous.


    Now who wants to take bets? For how long will she work with him?

    I asked her and begged her thousand times to work with him (with my help and supervision all the time) but she did it only twice. In a year

    It took me months of work with him, I was bitten, reared on multiple times, but we worked it off. He became a good pony. He didn't even know how to be lead, but now he's a great smart and willing horse.
    Mom knows what I was doing and she knows what he was and what he is now. She knows he has no respect for her. But somehow she doesn't want to fix it.
    She said she will work everyday with him now, but I think it was said in an adrenaline rush. What do you think?


    And... He will never respect people that didn't gain his respect, will he? He is still dangerous. A teddy bear for me, but a monster for everyone else
         
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        08-27-2011, 09:12 PM
      #2
    Trained
    I think he is smart, very very smart, and he knows that with other people he can get away with it, and it gets him out of doing what they want. You need to get many more CONFIDENT people to work with him before you encourage unconfident people to work with him, because at the moment, he IS too much for unconfident people to handle. You will do more harm than good.
         
        08-30-2011, 04:10 AM
      #3
    Weanling
    But there are no confident people ready to work with him. :(
    I don't have any horsey friends that would work him. The closest to confident is my cousin, she can clean his hooves and such things with no problems, but she doesn't know how to lunge horses or do anything else with them, neither she has time to learn how to do it.

    It's disaster. Mom already (again) gave up (and he didn't do anything agressive! He just didn't want to obey her and trot...) and she is making me go to that stupid senior trip. We fought the whole day about it. But how can I leave my horses with her if she can't take care of them?! Of course my neighbour could jump in and help if horse was sick or injured, but she won't work and check on them every day. And if mom won't be able to pick his hooves and brush him how will she know something is wrong with him? He has rotated hoof bone and new episode of laminits could be his last.
         
        08-30-2011, 09:11 AM
      #4
    Trained
    Well making your mother work with him won't be the answer, trust me. She will get hurt, or scared away from horses altogether, and that's the last thing you need if you have to rely on other people to look after them when you can't be there.

    Do they HAVE to be worked while you're away for some medical reason? The pony being prone to laminitis, I can see a medical reason for him to require daily work, but your big girl would probably appreciate the time off. Why not use the time you're away to send him to someone for a tune-up, if confining him won't be enough to keep the weight off?

    I had a pony that was very prone to being overweight and he went lami with us twice despite our best efforts, so I know exactly the difficulties you face with them. Do you have a small yard with little to no grass in it? You can give him hay that has low nutritional value so he has something in his tummy (no colic) but doesn't put on too much weight. If that puts weight on him, try soaking it - you would be amazed how much sugar comes out of it when you do that!

    Just, whatever you do, don't force someone who lacks confidence to work with him. You will set him back to square one if you do that. He needs to learn that he has to do what he's told, no matter who is telling him. Someone who lacks confidence will not be capable of getting tough with him.
         
        09-07-2011, 03:35 PM
      #5
    Weanling
    I don't expect or want her to work with him while I'm away, I wanted her to work with him now, to get some respect from him, so she'll be able to put the halter on him, picks his hooves... when they're alone.

    At least I convinced her to pick his hooves everyday now and it's going ok. It takes looooong for her to put halter on him, but they can do it. They are faster every day and I think they will be okay if he doesn't decide to act up.

    His weight is fine, he is out on a non grass field, and he never had the problem with keeping his weight down, previous owners are guilty for laminitis. They fed him tones of oats and kept him closed in the stall so small he couldn't move. No hoof care, no farriers...
         

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