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    08-26-2012, 07:58 PM
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Smile switching from uxeter kimberwick to a snaffle?..

I have an 11 year old quater horse gelding who is very hard mouth. I just recently purchased him after working and caring for him for about 9 months. The previous owners had him since he was 2 months old and he has been through tons of trainers (western). When he got home from the trainers, the owner would do NOTHING with him exercising/groundwork and just let him do what he want,pushed everyone around,etc. He was pastured with 3 other mares. He became the boss and became very very buddy/barn sour. Because of him being so buddly/barn sour he became impossible to ride, and because of that the owner or whoever was riding him always was in his mouth trying to control him. He was ridden in a light snaffle. I began working with him on the ground but could never do much work in the saddle due to lack of area to ride. Well, I fell in love with him and the owner wanted to get rid of him. I took him and found a trainer to board him at. First day at a new location without the buddy/barn sourness and I was riding him. First time being ridden english. He has been here for about a month now and is doing wonderful, he is like a completely different horse.

Anyways the trainer here told me to use a uxeter kimberwick (not jointed) and to put the reins in the bottom slot. I heard some very negative things about the kimberwick and heard that it doesn't really fix the training issues. All I know is that he is no longer buddy/barn sour because he has no buddies and I am always working him by and away from the barn and that he is doing fine in this bit. I am moving him and my pony to my property that we just recently bulit a barn on with a small arena and a few paddocks, and I really want to see if I can switch him to a snaffle. I know the training he had in the past they used a snaffle. Should I just stick to the kimberwick or see if he will respond to a snaffle? Also is there any way to reverse hard mouth horses? I know I am using a kimberwick but I try to be as soft as possible with it, I'd really like to switch him to a lighter bit.
     
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    08-26-2012, 09:17 PM
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I am not a big bit person, by which I cannot claim to be an expert on bits, how they work or what the best bit is for each situation. I have always worked horses in snaffles and the occasional port curb out west. I have only used a kimberwick on one horse. I will share my thoughts.

I do have a horse that was in a broken kimberwick. I was told to use that bit and only that bit because it was the only way to make him stop. One year and a few lessons later I have him in a snaffle. He has good brakes but when his rider gets tense he gets tense and goes fast. I think the goal is to move your horse down to a snaffle. You want to use use less effort to get maximum response. You get a hard mouthed bit in a hard bit and your sort of in a arms race with your horse. The horse gets deadened to one thing so you move the next hardest. Its a slippery slope.

Why is he in the kimberwick? Is their one issue in particular that's a challenge? With my horse it was brakes. Once we figured out the brakes it was a logical step down to the snaffle. If he was trained in a snaffle there was some reason he was moved to the kimberwick. I would try to figure out what that reason was. If the behavior was that caused the move up, then focus on fixing that behavior and then move down to a snaffle. If it was rider experience that caused the move up to the kimberwick for more precision then shift down to the snaffle. These are just my opinions. I am sure someone with more bit sense will be along soon.
     
    08-26-2012, 09:26 PM
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Why is he in the kimberwick? Is their one issue in particular that's a challenge? With my horse it was brakes. Once we figured out the brakes it was a logical step down to the snaffle. If he was trained in a snaffle there was some reason he was moved to the kimberwick. I would try to figure out what that reason was. If the behavior was that caused the move up, then focus on fixing that behavior and then move down to a snaffle. If it was rider experience that caused the move up to the kimberwick for more precision then shift down to the snaffle. These are just my opinions. I am sure someone with more bit sense will be along soon.
I do not think he was ever ridden in a kimberwick before. I would have to ask the previous owner, I do know that when I worked him at her place she only used a snaffle on him and she did tell me that his trainer always worked him in a snaffle. His problem was basically the go. He would always balk when you go to far away from the barn and he was impossible to control with leg,seat, or rein aids. I haven't even ridden him anything but the kimberwick since I moved him, I'm not sure what to expect. My trainer thinks this is a great bit for him since he responds so well to it, but I'd really like to use a snaffle on him.
     
    08-30-2012, 09:51 AM
  #4
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Justhorsinaround I'm no expert, but will offer my two cents. The bit you're riding him in has three rings / three settings so to speak. The top one, the one on level with horses mouth in my understanding acts like the snaffle. You mentioned he's being ridden in the lowermost (harshest) setting. Why not move your reins up to the second ring fora while and see what he does? If that's sucessful, move up tothe "snaffle" rings. Should tell you whether you can change him over safely, but with the option of going back to a "harsher" setting if neccessary. If you have successfully ridden him in the snaffle setting fr a while witout problems, you could move to a snaffle. I would start with one with the samr type of mouthpiece and then slowly change him into the mouthpiece of your choice.
     

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