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post #11 of 29 Old 09-23-2008, 08:54 PM
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I use an Imus comfort bit, which has a lot of relief, curb bit. When I first started using it I had to put it higher in Vidas mouth than I normally would because she was getting her tongue over it. If I remember right I had 3 wrinkles in her mouth when I normally just have the bit sitting in the corners with little to no wrinkles.
This is the one she can get her tongue over


This is one she can't


You might want to go to one with less tongue relief or tighten your headstall.
I just kept checking Vida during a ride. If she was still getting her tongue over I'd go up another hole on the headstall. I felt terrible to keep tightening it up but after she got used to it and stopped playing, I could move it down to just in the corners, no wrinkles.


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post #12 of 29 Old 09-23-2008, 08:58 PM Thread Starter
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iridehorses: Thanks for the tip on how to measure for the bit, will do that tomorrow, when I put the bit in his mouth I can pull on both sides of it and it doesn't hang out of his mouth, but I will measure.Thanks

FehrGroundRanch: I don't think the bridle is too big, if it was I wouldn't get creases in the corner of his mouth.right??

LizAndCollin101: Koda is a paint,about 7 yrs. Old.
I don't think he was trained the right way. Where can I get the, tongue control bit? Thanks

Tomkat: It is a loose ring snaffle bit. Runaway horse?????

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post #13 of 29 Old 09-23-2008, 09:29 PM
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Nidiaz, a bit with tongue relief could work well but I would hold off on using one with shanks until you've tried a 3 piece snaffle or even one with a Billy Allen mouth.

Most nicely broke horses will go well in a non shanked bit. There certainly are many times when it is necessary but too many riders resort to them for control. They may be required at a show or for finer control (aids, not behavior) otherwise KISS.

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post #14 of 29 Old 09-23-2008, 11:31 PM
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The tongue control bit -- is no type of curb at all.


Here is a picture of one.

http://www.yourequinestore.com/brows...S--255509.HTML

It is soft -- all it does is prevent the horse from getting his tongue over the bit.

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post #15 of 29 Old 09-24-2008, 06:19 AM
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The tongue control bit -- is no type of curb at all.
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Thank you but I was referring to the bits with an arch in them for tongue relief (not control) and with shanks as in the bits above my last post.

(incidental in my last post concerning shanked bits, I was referring to riders in general not to anyone in particular. I use a shanked bit for that little extra finesse that it gives me and many others use them for various reasons but too many novice riders will resort to shanks instead of training.)

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post #16 of 29 Old 09-24-2008, 07:37 AM
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while the bridle being too big could account for the problem, the bit being too big is less likely to cause issues. Well I've never seen it cause this particular issue. Not saying 100% that it wouldnt but I've never experienced it.

Teeth can be a problem as mentioned but sometimes it can just be a habit type thing. When I first got my mare she would automatically do the same thing and everything was ok, bit, bridle size etc a noseband did the trick. Now if I take it off she doesnt do it. I have no idea what started the habit/problem but she doesnt do it anymore.

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post #17 of 29 Old 09-24-2008, 10:56 AM
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You are right if Khoda has creases then your bridle is not to big! He must just have a super flexible tounge! Would it be possible to talk to his new owners about all this?
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LizAndCollin101: I will try that bit, going to look on ebay for it.Do I use it until he starts to take it the right way, then I can switch?? How long do you think it will take for Koda to accept it the right way??

FehrGroundRanch: I am his new owner, the old owner did not never ride him, I think they had him for about a year.

I think I'm also going to try a bridle with a noseband.

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post #19 of 29 Old 09-24-2008, 07:27 PM
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personally I wouldnt bother about another bit at this stage. IME its not going to matter what bit you put in his mouth. If he is putting his tongue over by habit then a different bit wont help. Try your noseband first and then if that doesnt work look at your bit but I honestly think changing bits wont help. JMO though ;)

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post #20 of 29 Old 09-24-2008, 08:00 PM
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Sorry about that, wrote the wrong word. What about the people that trained Koda, anyway to get in contact with them?

Another thing you might try is having someone else come out and have a look, it's amazing what a fresh set of eyes will see.
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