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    09-21-2011, 05:09 AM
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Weanling
Exclamation The Tap!? Looks worrying... Opinions please

Hello there,
Recently I was told to use the "Tap" by "Endospink" on my horse.

I had never heard of it, so did a little research. When I looked into it, I read that it's for problem horses, which my horse isn't! (And it was recommended on here for my horse, when I have no problems with her - touch wood - except for occasionally trying to nap, but that wasn't even the reason someone recommended it)

Looking at some videos, it looks quite harsh. I watched a few of Endospink's vids, and a few amateur. It seems quite controversial and I can't say it's something I'd like to try on my horse, without a trained professional, who know's exactly what this "tap" does.

People are saying it "rewires" the problem horse's brain. Hmm, I was under the impression you can't rewire a horse's brain, they are, and always will be a flight animal, and it's up to you to gain it's trust through more natural methods.

See, I would have posted this in NH training, as people seem to believe that it is, but when I look at it, there doesn't seem to be anything natural about it. I've read the comments people have added, and some say that it's natural behaviour horses would exhibit in the wild. What a load of old tosh. One doesn't see the alpha horse pulling on a horse and pulling it to the ground. They use body language to show their dominance.

People also leave the saddle on for this technique, and the horse falls quite dramatically, which wouldn't be comfortable anyway, let alone with the saddle on! Also, there's a lot of pressure on the horse's neck, and when watching it people say on their vids "now I'm flexing his neck" and when I see it, the horse's neck is not flexed at all! Before doing anything to do with flexing the neck, such as one rein stop Etc, the neck muscles should be nice and loose, so as not to cause any neck trouble, but these horses can barely flex their necks at all, and yet the "trainers" think that's an adequate amount to then continue with the tap. Also, these horse's are bitted, and there's a LOT of pulling that goes on in the horse's mouth.

When I see these vids, it's very worrying. In my opinion, they're only getting their horse's "trust" as they put the horse in a very vulnerable position, and therefore is having to do what they're told afterwards, for fear they may be hurt.

It seems very controversial, and seems a bit worrying. Looks like it could go very wrong in the wrong hands

Opinions please, but keep it tame, it seems like there could be a lot of heated things to say either for or against this topic, and I don't want to cause WWIII!
     
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    09-21-2011, 05:23 AM
  #2
Weanling
Here are a couple quotes I read from fans
"The tap works. If you've seen Endo's videos, you can see that he starts out with ****-for-brains half-broke (or not at all broke!) thoroughbreds and after the tap, they're light and cooperative race prospects, their brain has been reprogrammed"

"I can't see how people can call this creul. It's a legimate procidure based on behavior of wild horses. If I remeber right, in the horse language, I think it's something like a death threat"

Hmm... I'm not convinced these people know what they're talking about...
     
    09-21-2011, 05:35 AM
  #3
Weanling
All it is is laying a horse down (which does work but is only really suitable for extreme cases). He just packages and sells the method he uses get the horse down.

Why was it suggested to you?
     
    09-21-2011, 06:40 AM
  #4
Weanling
Well, the other day my horse fell to her front knees (it's all sorted now, and I have my answers Etc) and someone said that she was trying to start off the tap herself, and wanted me to continue with it... Hmm, well, I'm pretty certain this wasn't the case, I'm sure it was a health reason, but anyway, that's how I came to hear of it. But she's not a problem horse or anything (touch wood!), I just wondered what it was really, and when I watched, I have to say, it's not something I'd do with her.
     
    09-21-2011, 08:57 AM
  #5
Weanling
Yikes, I would say you were given some very poor and erroneous advice. Good on you for checking into it and drawing your own conclusions.
     
    09-21-2011, 09:03 AM
  #6
Green Broke
From what I've seen and heard about it, it's used to get the horse cooperative. They brag about it not being stressful to the horse. To me, it's just a quick fix and breaks the horses spirit. It may work but I don't think it's the best way, just an easy way.

Another thing I don't agree with what they do is training 1 1/2 year olds to be rode. Endospink trains horses to race and training them young is acceptable to them.
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    09-21-2011, 09:10 AM
  #7
Green Broke
A funny thing about endospink is that he only approves comments on his videos that agree or compliment him. I questioned on one of his videos about the "tap" is just breaking the horses spirit. It was never approved or allowed to be posted. To me, that just shows he knows that is all it does but doesn't want to admit it.
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    09-21-2011, 09:12 AM
  #8
Yearling
Something I'd always wondered about.
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    09-21-2011, 09:44 AM
  #9
Showing
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Originally Posted by christopher    
all it is is laying a horse down (which does work but is only really suitable for extreme cases). He just packages and sells the method he uses get the horse down.
I agree. It's definitely not something new. He's just packaged it and marketed it.

I have seen this done, many years ago in an extreme case. Is it something I'd try myself, nope. There's a hundred other ways to deal with things before resorting to dropping them. I'm not a fan of any short cut methods or gadgets and this falls into that category imo.
     
    09-21-2011, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by usandpets    
A funny thing about endospink is that he only approves comments on his videos that agree or compliment him. I questioned on one of his videos about the "tap" is just breaking the horses spirit. It was never approved or allowed to be posted. To me, that just shows he knows that is all it does but doesn't want to admit it.
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I happen to know Paul and if you knew the history you would not be saying this.

The advise give to the OP is obviously by someone that didn't know what they were talking about.

Doing this is NOT for amateurs and should only be used under special circumstances. Does it work...sure does and is not a new thing at all.

As far as the comments... it is his site and if he felt this was not an intended snark to get everyone's ire up he probably would discuss it however there have been too many that pose questions like your just to create drama.
     

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