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  • My horse keep kicking me when I lunch him ?
  • Horse was kicked on the bum

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    08-22-2012, 03:13 PM
If I may butt in, horses should be left when eating - that is there time, your time is when you've got em away from food. That being said - if my horses want their food they need to back up out of my space, stand and wait for me to be out of their way, then they are left alone to eat it.

If your horse Ever threatens to kick he must believe he's going to die for it. I believe is was John Lyons or Monty Robert who said something like "when they act aggressively you have 3 seconds to make them think they're going to Die! Don't touch their face, remember you want to kill them not blind them!" Acts of aggression are severe signs of disrespect and need to be nipped in the bud. You are her herd leader, groundwork will help but it won't stop her from kicking the little kid who knows nothing who happens to run behind her. She needs to know that around humans feet stay on the ground. Period. I like the broom idea cause you can't do any real damage with the bristles but it certainly smarts well enough.
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    08-22-2012, 03:22 PM
The reason I have been staying around him while he eats is because when he first came to me he was very food aggressive and never got messed with while he was eating. I worked that out of him and I don't want it to come back because my barn owner feeds him for me sometimes when I can't make it to the barn and I don't want him hurting her.
    08-22-2012, 03:31 PM
What I do for food aggressive horses is I put their bowl down in front of them empty (assuming it's a ground feeder). Then when they stop fussing I place a small handful of their feed in it, if they start acting aggressive, I aggressively back them out of my space. I repeat this until he connects the dots that people coming near his food adds food, not takes it away.
    08-22-2012, 04:13 PM
That sounds like a good idea. I really can't wait till he's at my house and I actually have time to spend with him, when he's eating is all the time I get with him at the moment.
    08-22-2012, 05:10 PM
If there's grass or hay, you can take him away from it, but when it's dinner time or lunch or breakfast (grain) leave him to eat it. Don't try to work with him while he's eating hay though, it will just cause serious distraction and give you more to fight with him about. Let there be no distractions while you work - until he's so good you can use distractions to add t the training :P
    08-22-2012, 10:15 PM
Distractions definitely do play a major role when I actually get a minute to work with him, I have no where to work him that doesn't have grass or other horses. I never work him while he's eating hay, the most I do is pick up his foot, not all of them just one, usually just once.
    08-22-2012, 10:41 PM
Ok I've had an issue where my horse has kicked out with his bum facing me and I had nothing in my hands to whap him with. I tried going around to his head but he kept facing his butt at me and by the time I got to his head it was well past 3 seconds so I couldn't punish him. What should I do if this situation occurs again. Or even if did happen to have say a whip, his butt was still following me and I couldn't have got him without him kicking out and getting me. He has done this a few times when I spooked him. (like if I came suddenly around a corner and scared him).
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    08-22-2012, 10:51 PM
Personally if a horse kicks me I kick them right back and 3 seconds is an old wives tale. Horses aren't idiots they don't forget after 3 seconds and if you stay yelling at them the whole time they know what they did.

If a horse swung his butt to me and wouldn't turn around (out of TRUE aggression NOT Fear!!) I would kick his bum as hard as I could away from me - this normally startles them enough to get them up and away long enough to get out ahead of them. From then on I wouldn't go near that horse without a rope on him and if he did it again I'd swing him around and whack him with the but of the rope.
If they keep facing their butt to you in their stall and wont get caught you need to get beside them and shove them over, knock them off their hind balance. Then get their halter.

If they are afraid and trying to kick because they feel trapped they need room - though they can't get away with an attempted kick. If they are say, a wild horse or equally frightened being a sharp 'heeey' should be enough, attacking a horrified horse will just leave you with a pile of panick. If they are truly afraid they need time and patience.
    08-22-2012, 10:59 PM
Keep a lunge whip handy if you have one and hook up your lunge line. Do this in an area where there is enough room to lunge him. When he starts lifting that leg, grab your whip and chase him out on the line and look at him with murder in your eyes. Make him trot 3 circles then direct him back to how he was originally standing. He hasn't learned anything just yet, so he will likely lift his leg again. Repeat what you did. Don't make him canter as that invites more resistance. He may have learned after the 2nd time but may need a third go around. The real dumb ones need a fourth. I've used this method with horse that half rears with the farrier. The idea is his action results in work. Work means he's using up his emergency reserves. He'll learn to keep his feet to himself. When he's good about it, pop a treat in his mouth. It can be a great motivator.
    08-22-2012, 11:01 PM
That makes sense. I will try what you said the next time he tries that. Hopefully he won't though.
My mare on the other hand has kicked my husband because he fell behind her in her stall while cleaning it. She's his horse technically but he's new to horses. She was "trained" by the Amish and is very scared of everything. She often faces her but to me in the stall while I clean it but I just give her extra room and make her get over to clean under her.
What should I do when she faces her hind end at me? Just move her over still?
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