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post #11 of 28 Old 04-21-2013, 10:27 PM
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I was just thinking if she is indeed that impossible to leave tied then maybe your only option is to get some lightweight, portable fencing and leave her in that. I have seen pictures of trailers that have had metal fence welded to the side of the trailer that folds up for travel - quite handy looking actually. Size I would guess at 8x8 which is not big but works for containment.

Edit: Saddlebag makes a very good point - I never stray far from the trailer if I can help it.
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post #12 of 28 Old 04-21-2013, 10:28 PM
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Would you be willing to try clicker training? I've trained my horse entirely with it, and one of the first things we worked on was standing while tied. It took us one or two sessions, and he's never had an issue since.
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Saddlebag- I go to small, local shows. So they are only a day long and they don't have any stalls. She isn't the best standing in the trailer either.
She will sway side to side, spin, etc... Plus, the only times I would tie her are between classes if I have to change because I do english, western, and games.
At a lot of our shows they give us lunch, and I usually haul to those with friends. So there is nobody to hold my horse.

Jillybean- I've heard of clicker trainer, but not anything about it.
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I'll refer you to the thread I started to serve as both an explanation as well as a place for people to post what they've done with it.
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Beau- Someone did recommend I try that. They are just rare to find around here, and if you do find one they are terribly expensive. But I will deffo try and look into one.
You can get them online.

And I bet buying one of those will be cheaper than the several halters and lead ropes you've gone through already....

Looks like they are about $30. Not bad, really, when you think about the other stuff she could break.


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Having worked with TB's, I would not recommend just leaving her tied, nor would I do any of the "tricks" usually done to cure a horse of this habit. And that includes hobbling too.

This breed will panic and even kill themselves in that panic.

They react differently to many things and this is one of them.

Broken legs, neck, spine are only 3 things that can happen in situation like this. These horses are only tied in stall for the most part, and outside that stall are held by groom while being worked with.

This is a PDF document that will help with transitioning a OTTB to a new life, and also even a TB new to being a pleasure horse.

This portion is from that document link.

Does my horse know how to tie?
The answer is yes, but it is
important to understand that the
method and place for tying a young Thoroughbred horse is different than a pleasure horse. The
first, and usually the only place, thes
e colts and fillies are tied is in
the back of their stall, usually
with a flexible rubber tie bar,
where they will learn to stand wh
ile being groomed and tacked up.
They are always held by a groom when standing out
side of their stall for shoeing, bathing, etc.

Why are Thoroughbred racehorses
only tied in their stall?
The primary reason is safety.
Young Thoroughbreds are valuable and their owners
have paid many thousands of dollars for
them as racing prospects. Keeping them confined in
side their stall while tied
is the surest way of
preventing them from breaking loose and having
an accident. The second reason is that they
must learn the routine of the
racetrack. Keeping the young horse qui
et and unexcited when tied is
essential for both his and his handler’s safety.

Training tips for tying your Thoroughbred
:
Since your horse has probably NEVER been asked to
stand tied outside of his stall in the midst
of other activity, begin by doing wh
at your horse is comfortable w
ith. Tie him first in his stall
where you can become familiar with each other in a safe environment
. Never tie him outside and
leave him when you have not tr
ained him to stand quietly.


When your horse knows and trusts you it is time to
make him familiar with standing tied outside
of his stall for grooming, tacking, and bathing.
Work with him to stand quietly with you for
increasing amounts of time. Loop the lead rope l
ooped through the tie ring or rail, and hold the
rope in your hand to give and release. Gradually
increase his comfort level so that he has less
fear of confinement, and becomes accustomed to standing quietly outside.



http://www.tranquilityfarmtbs.org/pdf/retraining.pdf

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Do research clicker training. It works especially well if the horse hasn't eaten for 1/2 hr as it will be more food motivated. Run the lead rope around a stout post two times. This creates a lot of drag if she pulls but will let her go if she panics. Stay with her until she's standing quietly then walk away about 20'. If her feet don't move during the first 10 seconds, click then take her a reward. This won't mean a thing just yet but with repitition she will. Never click if she's moving She will learn that a reward follows the click and it doesn't have to be immediate and that's almost always impossible. She will begin to anticipate and will want to keep her feet quiet. You will gradually be able to lengthen the time. Try placing your left hand on her and circling without her moving and c/t. Spend about 15 min each day for a week to reinforce. During this time you will move well away from her, even out of sight for a few seconds and extending that time.
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Having worked with TB's, I would not recommend just leaving her tied, nor would I do any of the "tricks" usually done to cure a horse of this habit. And that includes hobbling too.

This breed will panic and even kill themselves in that panic.

They react differently to many things and this is one of them.

Broken legs, neck, spine are only 3 things that can happen in situation like this. These horses are only tied in stall for the most part, and outside that stall are held by groom while being worked with.

This is a PDF document that will help with transitioning a OTTB to a new life, and also even a TB new to being a pleasure horse.

This portion is from that document link.

Does my horse know how to tie?
The answer is yes, but it is important to understand that the method and place for tying a young Thoroughbred horse is different than a pleasure horse. The first, and usually the only place, these colts and fillies are tied is in the back of their stall, usually with a flexible rubber tie bar, where they will learn to stand while being groomed and tacked up.
They are always held by a groom when standing out side of their stall for shoeing, bathing, etc. NO

Why are Thoroughbred racehorses only tied in their stall?
The primary reason is safety. Young Thoroughbreds are valuable and their owners
have paid many thousands of dollars for them as racing prospects. Keeping them confined in
side their stall while tied is the surest way of preventing them from breaking loose and having
an accident. The second reason is that they must learn the routine of the
racetrack. Keeping the young horse quiet and unexcited when tied is essential for both his and his handler’s safety. This should be learned before being taken out and is just laziness on the breedr/trainers part if not already done so

Training tips for tying your Thoroughbred:
Since your horse has probably NEVER been asked to stand tied outside of his stall in the midst
of other activity, begin by doing what your horse is comfortable with. Tie him first in his stall
where you can become familiar with each other in a safe environment . Never tie him outside and leave him when you have not trained him to stand quietly.

When your horse knows and trusts you it is time to make him familiar with standing tied outside of his stall for grooming, tacking, and bathing.
Work with him to stand quietly with you for increasing amounts of time. Loop the lead rope looped through the tie ring or rail, and hold the rope in your hand to give and release. Gradually
increase his comfort level so that he has less fear of confinement, and becomes accustomed to standing quietly outside. This should have been done with him as a yearling when preparing the horse for the sales.

http://www.tranquilityfarmtbs.org/pdf/retraining.pdf

This is not always so - it just depends where the horse was raised or trained. At the places I've worked all were taught to stand tied up both inside and outside of their box. In the hosing bay and on the walker.

At the trainers they are often cross tied but are expected to be tied up both inside and outside their box.

Once off the track the majority of TB's in NZ become riding and competition horses and you see them all over the showgrounds tied to their horse floats and trucks. Its a myth that TB's can't be tied up. They are just horses with a different job.

The majority if my school horses were TB's and taught beginners to ride, they all stood tied up while waiting and this was expected of them from day one. I'd get lots of them too as the owner of the school had brothers who trained and the rejects would come straight to me for schooling and rehoming.

Only the odd few are nut jobs and that can be the same for any breed - I've known nutter ponies that can't be left tied up.

They pull back because at one time they did it, got away with it, maybe panicked a few times and then their owners declared they could not be tied up.

Some pull back with very careful thought and its not because they are panicked they do it because they can - ever had the horse that will stand quietly, then give the baler twine a quick snap back? Then stands quite happily untied or wanders off to quietly graze.

I've used the bum rope on any of the naughty ones I've had with great success - you do have to make sure that you chose a safe place for this initially where the horse can't slip over - but most once they feel the pressure behind them will stop pulling back and once the pressure has gone from the top of the head they stop trying to pull back.

One thing that needs to be done for any horse that pulls back is a visit by the chiro because at the time they pull back they put a lot of pressure on the Atlas and Axis at the poll and often twist their heads from side to side risking twisting the whole joint out of alignment.
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post #19 of 28 Old 04-22-2013, 02:43 PM
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We use the tie blocker rings here and have had success with them. JMO
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post #20 of 28 Old 04-22-2013, 09:45 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks!
We had chiro done on her about 2 months ago, but I haven't tried tying her since then.

I also heard that myth also, that TBs can't be tied.
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