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    10-20-2010, 06:10 PM
  #11
Trained
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Originally Posted by faye    
I've seen a horse break its neck because what he was tied to didnt give. Horiffic experiance and sorry but The advice you have given is just plain dangerous. A panicing horse needs to be able to get free.

I will never ever tie a horse to anything that will not give.
So you're saying that a panicking horse running loose is less of a hazard? I think you should re-evaluate what you are saying.
     
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    10-20-2010, 06:18 PM
  #12
Started
I have seen a panicked horse get in big trouble because it was tied to a metal gate. I it pulled back, broke the gate(it was not put up that strongly) and the gate came at the horse, the horse took off with the gate bouncing/dragging behind it. Ended up with the horses leg through the bars and being broken, horse had to be destroyed.... Would rather see a horse correctly tied pulling back and not getting loose, then pulling back and taking himself and whatever he is tied to for a run.
     
    10-20-2010, 06:39 PM
  #13
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
So you're saying that a panicking horse running loose is less of a hazard? I think you should re-evaluate what you are saying.
Yes a panicing horse running loose in a properly secured area is less of a hazard. Sorry but if you own horses you need to secure the place where they are kept and this includes gates and fences that facilitate you keeping control of a panicing horse.

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Originally Posted by wyominggrandma    
I have seen a panicked horse get in big trouble because it was tied to a metal gate. I it pulled back, broke the gate(it was not put up that strongly) and the gate came at the horse, the horse took off with the gate bouncing/dragging behind it. Ended up with the horses leg through the bars and being broken, horse had to be destroyed.... Would rather see a horse correctly tied pulling back and not getting loose, then pulling back and taking himself and whatever he is tied to for a run.
What Idiot tied it to the gate in the first place?

Going by the BHS standard you should NEVER tie a horse to a gate and you should never tie a horse to something that will not break if the horse panics. Then again the BHS assumes that you are smart enough to have a fully secure yard. They reccomend and the vast majority of horse owners over here use bailer twine, you tie the bailer twine to the rail or the tie ring and then tie the lead rope to the bailer twine.
The bailer twine will snap and the horse will be loose but it wont take what ever it is tied to with it.
It may be BHS standard but I also thought It was common sense, certainly it is one of the first things you are taught over here when learning to care for horses.

On my yard, if they get loose they can wander round the yard, go into the garden or towards the field gate. Normaly they stop at the first horse or stick thier head down and graze in the garden.

On most of the yards I have ever ridden on, the horses if they got loose were restricted to the yard or funneled towards the fields.
     
    10-20-2010, 06:48 PM
  #14
Trained
Some places in the world horses are actually used for work. All year long I have trailered horses to a trailhead or pasture and unloaded and saddled them to move cattle. Often times these places are next to a busy highway and rarely are the horses well-broke. The only thing that keeps them safe is the fact that when I tie them they stay. If a horse was to get away from me they could cause a very bad accident resulting in the death of a person. I value human life above that of even my very favorite horse. I understand that your experience is limited due to your location but don't think that everyone uses horses as you do. Also don't hink that a horse running loose in a well fenced yard is not a hazard to those people contained within those fences.
     
    10-20-2010, 07:23 PM
  #15
Showing
I agree with tying to something and with a halter/lead that won't break. That is why I love rope halters with tied on leads because there are no buckles or snaps to break. A horse that learns from day 1 that being tied means no getting loose no matter how much you fight will always end up a better tyer in the end. My mustang Dobe is a perfect example. The first time he was tied, he ended up upside down and trapped. I left him there for a few minutes before cutting the rope so that he could get up then he got tied right back up. Since then, he won't fight because he knows he can't win. No offense Faye, but you might be comfortable with the ability to just chase your horse through the garden when he breaks free and saddling/preparing him inside the trailer. That, to me, is unacceptable. I am comortable with the knowledge that I can tie my horse to the side of the trailer and do what has to be done and he will stand quietly or I can drape a bridle rein over a fence and leave him there for hours.

It may just be that I use my horses for actual work and there are often times when I can't keep them perfectly contained inside a fence away from all dangers, but I don't understand why so many people are so willing to accept a horse that will break free whenever it chooses. One of the main reasons why I carry a pocket knife is so that I can decide when the horse is truly in danger and it would be more prudent for him to be loose rather than him deciding that a plastic bag 30 feet away is going to eat him and he must be turned loose now.
     
    10-20-2010, 08:02 PM
  #16
Green Broke
Ah but the people contained within those fences is limited and they should know what to do with a loose horse, even if it is just to get out of the way.

Far safer to saddle up in the lorry, you've less chance of being hit by traffic, less chance of a horse being spooked by traffic and far greater control of the situation. Youve also got more control as they come off the lorry as they are in a bridle not a head collar, and you don't have that moment when you have to take the halter off to put the bridle on.

This article pretty much explains how I teach mine to tie up, I'm a bit less flowery about it but this is essentialy how I do it.
Teach your horse toTie by Juli Realy
It is not a million miles away from what you do but what it does teach the horse is to yield to pressure, WITHOUT the risk of the horse breaking it's neck.

Stan could be trusted to the point that I didnt even have to tie him. Regularly at shows I just left him standing beside the lorry, reins over his neck, not tied up. He would stand there untill I came back for him. He was safe there because I put him there and he would stay there even when all hell let loose on the show field.

Yes I am confident that if they got loose I could catch him on the yard again, but I have never needed to do this. My bailer twine at home is old, rotten and frayed, it has seen too many winters outside, When it drops off due to the weight of the lead rope (record is just over 3 years!) they get replaced but otherwise I have never had need to.

I'm also very very aware that one knock, bump or scar on my horses will reduce thier value by thousands of . They are show horses, a scar or a splint could end thier competative career.
     
    10-20-2010, 08:17 PM
  #17
Weanling
OMG! Faye I completely agree with 100% everything you are saying right now. My horse use to be a major puller and she would snap the halters because I used SAFETY halters. I went through 2 halters and with proper training and repetition she now follows me around, stops, backs up (with out halter), ground ties, and perfect ground manners. I don't think you could have gotten much worse then my horse actually. SHe is young, big, and not easy to train but I did it. NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER tie your horse to something that is not full stable, a unhooked trailer or with out something that can break I.e. SAFETY HALTERS, twine, and leather halters. I don't care how may people complain about there horse taking off it all comes down to training, if my horse can do it so can yours. It upsets me very much that people don't realize how much impact being stuck to something to do on a horses mind. Horses can break there necks, do serious damage to there brains, crowns, spine, and legs when they pull and something doesnt release, its just not safe.
     
    10-20-2010, 09:57 PM
  #18
Showing
To each their own. You can keep your horses that you have to make sure that all the gates are closed and walk and catch them every time they break your halter and run away. I'll keep my horses that stand tied quietly all day regardless of what's going on around them.
     
    10-20-2010, 10:09 PM
  #19
Trained
Good grief I would NEVER EVER saddle a horse in a trailer...THAT is way more dangerous than a horse sitting on it's butt, or possibly getting free at an arena, or other place...sorry...if a horse wigs out in a trailer, where do you expect to go??? I mean really? Honest question...there is NO where for you to go, and you or the horse could be seriously injured, and more than likely you would be the one more hurt than said horse. I don't care how big the trailer, there is way too little space in there if a horse gets panicked.

OP...There have been some good suggestions already given. You could go with a neck strap (I prefer inner tubes for the neck part, and tie a lead onto that, that way there is some give)...

You could get a Tie Ring, like the one's Clinton Anderson endorses...these are designed to give the horse some slack as it pulls back; when the horse stops, you simply lead him back foward, and draw the lead back through the ring. There are various 'taughtnesses' to the tie ring too, so that if a horse pulls it needs to put more force to get slack.

I would definitely do alot of ground work with this horse; if he is tired, or atleast "thinking" when you go to tie him, he won't be so reactive.

Another thing I like to do, and do with every horse I train, is teach it to ground tie. When he understands ground tying solidly, then you can start looping the lead over the rail, and eventually tie him 'solid'...the advantage to teaching a horse to ground tie, is that when he goes to move, you can really make him move...and really MAKE him move...teach him that standing still when you ask, is the easy thing to do.
     
    10-20-2010, 10:13 PM
  #20
Green Broke
We use halters and neck straps to excersize our horses (on a specially built gate that goes on the back of the truck). Properly tied, colts/fillies who are just learning can pull for all they are worth and nothing happens to them. They just tire themselves out. The learn to go with the gate and truck pretty quick.

Remember that not everyone on this forum has a yard like you do faye. Lots of people have miles of open land that if a horse got loose, they could possibly be gone. Teaching a horse to stand and stand still when asked is a vital part of their ground training.

IMO, I think tacking a horse up in a trailer/lorry is dangerous as you could possibly have nowhere to move if something happens. You could end up against a wall and kicked easily. I would much rather be able to tie my horse to the outside and know that I will be safe. (mom2pride, we posted at the same time)
     

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