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        10-26-2013, 12:54 PM
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    My horse sometimes bulldozes through them and he doens't like to pick up his feet either. My horse is 22 and was not raised to do any jumping and will never be a great jumper horse, but he is so much fun to jump on and a great practice horse! I jump him bareback over about a foot and a half high jumps and his lazy jumps are pretty sweet!

    What I did when I started teaching him, was trotting over many poles. I walk him over both doirections first, then I ask for a trot a few strides before a pole and he does pretty well. On the foot high jump I started at a trot heading towards it and before the step up I did a bunch of clicking noises and he did pretty good for his first jump! When I lope over poles, I spread them way far apart and just a stride before th jump I do clikcing noises to ask for a jump.

    Jumping is very fun! And I finally got our of my comfort zone and now I am trying to "master" bareback riding! So far so good and so far no falls! In the almost two years now that I have rode him, I haven't fallen off! Over all I have rode him for about three years. One year was the first year I was gettting used to riding after moving, and he was the horse I rode! I was actually scared to ride him in the pasture without my mom the first time! But now I can go jumping and loping bareback through the field with nothing and no one behind or ahead of me with confidence in only about three and a half years of riding altogether!
         
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        10-26-2013, 02:04 PM
      #12
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by SlideStop    
    All horses can jump, but you cannot force ability or desire into them. It would be like trying to force a not artistically inclined person through art school and wondering why they aren't the next modern artist. ANYONE can put a paint brush or pencil to a paper, but that doesn't mean they have the ability or DESIRE to draw.

    I'd find a job your mare is good at! Maybe dressage? Or driving? If you want a jumper get a jumper! Also, you might be able to force her to "jump", but it won't last long. She will likely sour quickly and being having behavioral problems.
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    Haha I know that of course. I don't need a jumper, but a few jumps now and then are fun!
    It's easy to sing beautiful for a talented singer (talented jumper), but that doesn't mean you can't teach someone to sing correctly who is not-talented. (And if you're not a talented singer, doesn't mean you don't like singing! )
    If you'd read my post above this post of you, you see that she definitely has the ability, and I also told that I think she liked it!
    I find it a bit weird what you're saying :+ OF COURSE she will never be a show jumper or something, I know that. I don't even want her to be. But as you say, every horse can jump. You just need the right way of teaching them.
    She just didn't get it or something, or it was too hard for her with someone on her back. And now she finally did it, and she thinks it's fun! She was very motivated and active with free jumping.

    Funny that you can see through the computer screen that she doesn't like it, that she'll sour and she'll have behavioral problems.
    We do all kinds of stuff. I take dressage lessons. She can walk in front of a cart. We do tricktraining and groundwork. We do nice peaceful rides through the forest. Lunging, long reining. We're trying out bitless riding(rope halter).

    @amberly, yea maybe I can make a clicking noise too or something. And maybe she knows what to do when I'm on her too when I make the same noise! But I think maybe I should build her confidence with jumping first with free jumping and then when she is totally at comfort I can try to let her jump with me
    So great how you've come so far with your horse!

    @Dustbunny, thank you so much!
         
        10-26-2013, 04:49 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Reeltje    
    Haha I know that of course. I don't need a jumper, but a few jumps now and then are fun!
    It's easy to sing beautiful for a talented singer (talented jumper), but that doesn't mean you can't teach someone to sing correctly who is not-talented. (And if you're not a talented singer, doesn't mean you don't like singing!)

    Talent goes no where without desire, but desire can go somewhere without talent. If you have a horse who wants to jump that's half the battle, especially if you only want that horse for popping a few cross rail every once in a while.

    If you'd read my post above this post of you, you see that she definitely has the ability, and I also told that I think she liked it!

    I find it a bit weird what you're saying :+ OF COURSE she will never be a show jumper or something, I know that. I don't even want her to be. But as you say, every horse can jump. You just need the right way of teaching them.
    She just didn't get it or something, or it was too hard for her with someone on her back. And now she finally did it, and she thinks it's fun! She was very motivated and active with free jumping.

    When I say every horse can jump I mean they are all physically capable of jumping, from mini to draft, with no teaching necessary.

    Funny that you can see through the computer screen that she doesn't like it, that she'll sour and she'll have behavioral problems.

    No I can't see through the computer screen, but I've seen the results of forcing a horse to do something they don't like. They get sour, just like you and would would eventually become. If she likes it great, if you forcing her to do it then I would prepare for some issues a year, or two, or three down the road.

    We do all kinds of stuff. I take dressage lessons. She can walk in front of a cart. We do tricktraining and groundwork. We do nice peaceful rides through the forest. Lunging, long reining. We're trying out bitless riding(rope halter).

    That's great. I believe the same old training routine leads to a bored horse. Bored horses lead to bad horses. Lazy, refusing, bucking, etc.

    @amberly, yea maybe I can make a clicking noise too or something. And maybe she knows what to do when I'm on her too when I make the same noise! But I think maybe I should build her confidence with jumping first with free jumping and then when she is totally at comfort I can try to let her jump with me
    So great how you've come so far with your horse!

    @Dustbunny, thank you so much!
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        10-27-2013, 06:58 AM
      #14
    Foal
    "Talent goes no where without desire, but desire can go somewhere without talent. If you have a horse who wants to jump that's half the battle, especially if you only want that horse for popping a few cross rail every once in a while."
    Yea that's actually what I mean too. But if your horse had never jumped. How do you know the desire is not there? Now Eefje has finally jumped, I see the desire IS there. She liked it.

    "When I say every horse can jump I mean they are all physically capable of jumping, from mini to draft, with no teaching necessary."
    True, but that doesn't mean that every horse can jump as well as jumpers. Even jumpers needs training to get that good. Some horses are naturally not good at it.
    I know my horse, she is clumsy with some things. That she didn't jump or trotted poles with me on her without touching a pole or tripping doesn't mean she don't likes it. Sometimes she trips over her own feet. Or walks against someting.

    "No I can't see through the computer screen, but I've seen the results of forcing a horse to do something they don't like. They get sour, just like you and would would eventually become. If she likes it great, if you forcing her to do it then I would prepare for some issues a year, or two, or three down the road. "
    Sorry, I've read you first comment wrong. I didn't see the 'likely'.
    But still, you were saying: 'I'd find a job your mare is good at! Maybe dressage? Or driving? If you want a jumper get a jumper!'
    Why not try? Why are you suggesting to do something else, if you haven't even seen me and her.
    If you'd say: 'I've seen the results of forcing a horse to do something, blabla. And IF your horse doesn't like it I wouldn't go through with it.' Something like that. But you're already making a statement that I should do something else..

    "That's great. I believe the same old training routine leads to a bored horse. Bored horses lead to bad horses. Lazy, refusing, bucking, etc."
    True, and because I'm not a rider who wants to do competitions or something, it's the same for me. I can't imagine some horses at riding schools, you know for the little children, are having fun. Every day the same round with little children pulling on the reins. But they are behaved. They are more like robots :') I don't think every bored horse is becoming a bad behaved horse.
         
        10-27-2013, 08:47 AM
      #15
    Weanling
    Meh...if you want to jump your horse for fun and can do so safely, do it.

    My QH gelding is less then enthusiastic about jumping but as he is a good compliant solid citizen he will do it for me on occasion when I ask.

    In my opinion a good horse can dabble in anything.
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        10-27-2013, 10:07 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Wow! She looks like she's having fun! She doesn't have the best front end yet, but that will come with time, and she's definitely picking up those knees quite a bit! Keep in mind that these results will probably not be seen with you on her for a while, with the height. Next time you school set up a small crossrail or 12-18" vertical at the end of a few trot poles and see how she does there.
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        10-27-2013, 10:18 PM
      #17
    Foal
    @SlideStop: I found it a little rude the way you put out some of your thoughts, like "if you want to jump get a jumper."
    Reeltje just wants to have fun and try something newfor a change. Horses get bored doing the same thing over and over again with no variety or special challenge.
    My Haflinger isn't a hunter but I still put a lot of effort into teaching her how to jump and put together a course. No, she's not the best, she rushes, sometimes knocks down multiple jumps in a course, and puts up a huge attitude during flatwork, but I haven't traded her up for an A-rated hunter/equitation horse.
    Just because she's a Fresian doesn't mean she doesn't like jumping and can't do it.
    I think she's quite good at jumping for her first try.
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        10-27-2013, 10:36 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    I'm sorry you found it a little rude Hunterjumper1998, but no where in her posts does it say she just wants her to jump every once in a while. It sounds like she wants to ride a jumper. Some horses will never be good at what we want them to be good at. Sometimes they aren't bred for it, sometimes they aren't built for it and sometimes they just are flat out not good at it or don't like it. It leads us to a rough choices, stick with what your horse likes, force him to do what you like, or get a horse where both of you are happy. It's just another, maybe unpleasant, realization and piece of advice.

    If she isn't making it this horses career, then keep on keeping on. If you want a career jumper this horse may not be the one for her.

    And I agree, horses need busy minds.

    I'm not really saying anything about talent, it more about desire. Your mare could be the worst jumper on the planet and knock down every last bar but if she is forward and having a good time great. A horse who refuses, plows through jumps, ducks out, etc likely isn't having a good time. It's all about reading your horse. Posted via Mobile Device
         
        10-28-2013, 01:42 AM
      #19
    Foal
    No, I didn't say in my post I only wanted to jump every once in a while. But I also didn't say I want to make a real jumper out of her, you're just assuming that but I never said this. So you could have asked what my intentions were for jumping with her :)
    I did say ' is she just a hopeless case' and 'lol' because I'm not that serious about it. It's only for fun.

    Hunterjumper1998, I'm defenitely aware of that these results will not been seen with me on her haha. I already was amazed by this and so proud thanks for the tips I will defenitely try this out! But at first just trotting poles with me on her, see if she can still lift those knees then haha :P
         
        10-28-2013, 07:56 AM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Well when someone says they want to jump, in my mind they want to jump. I can only go off the info you supply. If its for fun you should of said so. My advice was sound and relevant, whether anyone liked it or not. Sometimes good advice isn't easy to hear.
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