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post #1 of 32 Old 10-21-2010, 03:25 AM Thread Starter
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Question Teaching a Piaffe

This is something that has baffled me, as well as the Spanish walk. Looking at someone else's wonderful photos of their horses doing beautiful movements in another thread provoked something inside me to finally ask: HOW IS IT DONE?! I'm at a loss and would love to have some insight. I have always been fascinated by those horses that can "trot in place". It's soooooo cool! Is the passage / lateral movement necessary before learning a piaffe?

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I found this article... from what I read, it suggests piaffe training starts from the saddle. I have always seen trainers working the horse from the ground. Thoughts?

1 Get your horse into a straight, impulsive collected trot and ask for a halt.

2 Get straight back into a collected trot. Do this repetitively but gradually shorten the amount of strides the horse takes before halting.

3 Maintain the impulsion to keep the horse's feet moving, however, the horse should be relaxed. Eventually the horse should take a few steps of piaffe, maybe only 2-4, but it's a start.

4 Continue practicing. Eventually your horse will start to take more steps of piaffe, just keep working at it, but remember to keep your chest high and seat deep when asking the piaffe.

Article source: How to Teach Your Horse to Piaffe - wikiHow

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I can't tell you anything about how to do it because I'm not at that level where I should be even considering training it haha...
But, if you do try to do it yourself, don't use just WikiHow. ;) We're always told at school that if we get research off WikiHow, WikiPedia or anything else Wiki does, then we'd better have some **** good sites/books/articles that agree with the information as Wiki is not always the most reliable source.

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If you are seriously looking into that 1) your horse should be capable of doing that, 2) you have to know the cues (meaning you have to be an advanced level rider), and 3) get a knowledgeable trainer to teach horse the piaffe. Although I don't want to sound discouraging, but it takes years for the dressage trainer to go to the level the horse is doing piaffe correctly (and you have to get all other basics in place first).
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If you are seriously looking into that 1) your horse should be capable of doing that, 2) you have to know the cues (meaning you have to be an advanced level rider), and 3) get a knowledgeable trainer to teach horse the piaffe. Although I don't want to sound discouraging, but it takes years for the dressage trainer to go to the level the horse is doing piaffe correctly (and you have to get all other basics in place first).

^Agreed. My horse and I are nowhere near ready to attempt piaffe or passage, but much of my research suggests that if the correct preliminary work has been done, and the horse is relaxed, supple, truly accepting contact and the aids, moving with impulsion, straightness, and collection (in the dressage sense), then teaching advanced movements like piaffe should be "relatively simple" - the groundwork has already been laid.

Of course, there is a difference between piaffe as a true and correct high level dressage movement and piaffe as more of a "circus trick." Most horses who learn it as a trick rather than as the culmination of years of mental and physical conditioning lack something in the foundation that makes the movement "true" in the competitive or classical dressage sense.

I'll second the caution on WikiHow - not only is the whole "wiki" conglomeration not a scholarly source, but some of the info and instructions are complete tripe... Finding a real dressage trainer is your best bet if you're interested in paiffe as a Dressage movement. It's one of those things that can be at best difficult for you and the horse to do without the right background and experience.

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The OP was curious to know how it was done, not considering doing it herself.
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I found this article... from what I read, it suggests piaffe training starts from the saddle. I have always seen trainers working the horse from the ground. Thoughts?

1 Get your horse into a straight, impulsive collected trot and ask for a halt.

2 Get straight back into a collected trot. Do this repetitively but gradually shorten the amount of strides the horse takes before halting.

3 Maintain the impulsion to keep the horse's feet moving, however, the horse should be relaxed. Eventually the horse should take a few steps of piaffe, maybe only 2-4, but it's a start.

4 Continue practicing. Eventually your horse will start to take more steps of piaffe, just keep working at it, but remember to keep your chest high and seat deep when asking the piaffe.

Article source: How to Teach Your Horse to Piaffe - wikiHow

It is possible to get it doing it this way. How it is done depends on how the horse learns best. I did it in the saddle, and my first GP horse did it between the pillars.
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It is normaly taught from the ground first, long reining is generaly the first way.
But yes a horse who is at that level will be capable of extreme collection. Piaffe is just an extension of that. It is as collected as a horse can get!

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The OP was curious to know how it was done, not considering doing it herself.
Yes, you are right. But she was using I believe "wikiHow", which is ALWAYS sound like something "do it yourself". So my comment was directed to that rather than to her OP.
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I originally wrote "I'm not planning on teaching a horse this myself just yet" in the first post I made, but I took it out because I figured it was a gimme. Haha I am in no place to teach a horse this, nor do I have a horse that can do it. Snookey would be like "You want me to do WHAT?" Haha.

WikiHow was just what came up when I googled "Piaffe training". I looked at several other sites but this one came up with a step-by-step. I've never used WikiHow for anything like that... really, even if I wanted to, the instructions are pretty vague and not credible! Could you imagine conversing with people at the barn about training methods? "Where'd you learn how to do that?" "WikiHow, of course!"

Thanks everyone!

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