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        03-21-2010, 08:34 PM
      #11
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    Originally Posted by stacieandtheboys    
    I'm a little confused...I didn't think you were supposed direct rein in a curb. Please forgive my ignorance.
    You can direct rein is a tom thumb which is any jointed curb bit. A grazing bit is one solid peice while the tom thumb is jointed and each side can move independent of the other side.
    'The Billy Allen is the best of both worlds in that is acts solid when you stop and yet direct reins really well. While my horse neck reins great I still direct rein at least 50% of the time.
    I switch back and forth regardless of which bit I am using.
    Don't judge the tom thumb until you have tried it. It cost about $30 so buy one and just try it. I have dozen of bits sitting around, all experiments just to see.
         
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        03-21-2010, 08:47 PM
      #12
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    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    Do you have a picture of the bit? I would be interested to see it. I also like the idea of a bit with both a snaffle action and a curb action - A jack of all trades, you could say. However I dont' like the look of a lot of them - they are big and heavy and often dwarf the horses face - I love the simplicity of a simple snaffle or western curb.
    wild spot I did this for you. I just grabbed 2 pictures.
    The bit is small, not more then 3 inch shanks, my hand is in there for comparison. Also a tom tumb is right next to it to again show the small shanks of the pelham.
    If I put the reins on the rings by the mouth piece I have a snaffle. They are in the curb position here.
    Also if the horse wipes out and his muzzle slams into the ground the bit shouldn't dig into the dirt


         
        03-21-2010, 08:56 PM
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    Originally Posted by SeWHC    
    Have you thought about using two sets of reins? For someone with experience such as yours, a double bridle isn't tough to work with, especially if you've got a dual action bit, and you are just using two sets of reins.
    No I want to keep it simple. I don't need the curb, I don't even need a bit but I like having a bit. I have ridden in a hoola hoop, a rope hoola hoop but I found it uncomfortable with having to keep my hand right on his weithers and when leading the horese again it is uncomfortable.

    If my guy is fresh, he is grained daily, worked every second day at the least, just turned 5 and in great shape so he loves to move, like any strong arab and if you shows any disrespect for me by not regulating speed on a simple voice command or just picking up the reins, if he even thinks about running through the bit I would quickly put the reins in the curb setting, the ratio is less then 2 to 1 so my pull is not that much, but he must respect my hands at all times.
    When he settles I would just stop and quickly switch back to the snaffle setting.
    I am just thrilled with my find. This bit offers the best of both worlds, is compact enough to not look heavy on a fine arab head , gives me the snaffle option, the curb option and he seems to like both settings. No head tossing.
    It has not stood the test of time and I only have about 3 hours max on it but I like my first impressions.
         
        03-21-2010, 08:57 PM
      #14
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    Thanks for that.

    A lot of people around here use pelhams for hack classes when they don't want to/their horse doesn't like a double. Have been playing with the idea of trying one out on bundy, would love to find one with a myler/billy allen mouth as around here you can only get them in single jointed or mullen mouthed.

    I'd never thought of using the bottom rein similar to a western curb as opposed to a english double - Here you only see them used with contact like a double.

    May have to go off and do some more experimenting :]
         
        03-21-2010, 08:59 PM
      #15
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    I just measured the tom thumb bit I pictured and the upper arm,the bridle part of the arm is 2 inch, center of bit to where the leather passes under the bit. The arm, center of bit to where the reins attach is 3 1/4 inches.
    So the mulitplcation of your force to the force the horse feels is 3.250 divided by 2 or less then 2x mulitplication. Close to 1.6 times mulitplication.
    So if you pull with 10 pounds the horse feels 16 pounds.
         
        03-21-2010, 08:59 PM
      #16
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    I would love to see a picture of it on Rio - That has always been one of my worries about the pelhams, the bulk might dwarf the head. Though Bundy does have a big moose nose so I shouldn't really worry!
         
        03-21-2010, 09:03 PM
      #17
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    I just ran the Billy Allen with the 8 inch shanks and it has 2 1/2 inches center of bit to the bridle leather and 5 1/2 below so the is 2.5 into 5.5 or slightly over 2 times the pulling power.
    So if you applies 10 pounds of pull the horse would feel about 22 pounds on his mouth. The curb does not only apply the load to the bars and tongue but spreads part of that load out in the curb chain and part in the pole. The load is spead out over these area, again the horse doesn't feel the entire 22 on the bars.

    I posted a good link on bits.. It is worth spending time and reading.
         
        03-21-2010, 09:07 PM
      #18
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    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    I would love to see a picture of it on Rio - That has always been one of my worries about the pelhams, the bulk might dwarf the head. Though Bundy does have a big moose nose so I shouldn't really worry!
    I'll do that for you wild spot on Tuesday if I remember my camera. He is off tomorrow but running Tuesday. He has a small head even for an arab with a tea cup size nose. The bit looks in proportion for him.
         
        03-21-2010, 09:54 PM
      #19
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    I always forget my camera :] I don't know why it bothers me, both of mine have large muzzles. I think I am imagining more bulk as most people here ride pelhams with roundings.
         
        03-21-2010, 11:13 PM
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    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    I always forget my camera :] I don't know why it bothers me, both of mine have large muzzles. I think I am imagining more bulk as most people here ride pelhams with roundings.
    this is the tom thumb on my boy, the one before Rio. This is also an arab and you can see the size of the tom thumb on him. The pelham is alot smaller then this,
         

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