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        11-08-2011, 05:15 PM
      #31
    Green Broke
    Right I'm going to wade in and say get a trainer!! Preferably yesterday. It is very very clear that you havent a clue when it comes to training a horse.

    Knock the oats on the head (rocket fuel) and look at a general cool mix or cubes if he needs anything.

    I am in a very similar situation to you. I to have a coloured horse who has just been broken, is incredibly sensitive, has had bad experiances in his past and has major trust issues, he is hyper and has the attention span of a gnat, I swear if he were human he would have ADHD. It took 8 monts to get a saddle on him, it took nearly a year to be able to get on him without him trying to kill you.

    The difference between you and me is that I have experiance in dealing with training issues and I have enough experiance to know when I was in over my head and needed help. I got help (from a real trainer who came to work with me and him together) and I now have a beautiful little ridden horse.

    He happily goes exactly where I tell him out on a hack, even if that is belly deep in water. He rides out in the heaviest of traffic, birds can attempt to fly up his nose or into his bum, but because I tell him to keep walking he keeps walking.

    It has now been 8 weeks since my lad was sat on for the first time ever. I have him working in self carriage in walk and am getting there in trot. We have incredible hacks out together and he trusts his rider now. We are working on physical strength and fitness now.

    Yes he can feel absolutly explosive under me, but I just have to sit quietly and get his concentration back on me, teach him something new and get him away from thinking about exploding.

    I've had a horse try to lie down under me (we went paddling in a lake and he started buckling at the knees) a very swift boot to the ribs stopped him.

    The main problem is you came on here asking for advice and when several very experianced people are all giving you the same advice you choose to blatently ignore them.

    There is no shame in having a trainer to help, even olympic riders still have trainers. Infact I know a lady who breaks troublesome youngsters for international eventers.
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        11-08-2011, 09:03 PM
      #32
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    I read all the comments, but refuse to get into this

    My suggestion:

    My 5 year old Arab (My Arab = crazy) Was about as hyper as they come. He was sweet, willing, and lovable, but so very hyper. We rescued him, and when he got fattened up he became even more hyper. His current diet (Well, technically he has been on this diet since we rescued him) is Oats and Alfalfa. Yes, I know, its high in protein and that equals craziness on the horses part. I was unwilling to switch his feed because of some behavioral problems, so, I didn't. Instead I worked with it.

    Clearly, although your horse may let you touch him wherever, he doesnt trust, or respect you, all the way. If he trusted you, he wouldn't be so very scared of everything.

    Anyway, anyway, you need to establish trust, and leadership if you aren't willing to get a trainer.

    Your horse is 3, and green. That is exactly why he is crazy. My horse, who at any given moment would explode, now still has loads of energy, but instead of exploding into a bucking, rearing, spooking fit, he calmly (Well, I can feel all of his energy welling up under me) trudges on.

    Ground work. Its the key to success. That's what he needs. Horses also need jobs, he needs to redirect his hyperness somewhere else, whether you start jumping, or barrel racing (He is still young though) or anything, he needs his energy redirected.

    I am still young, I have young horse, and when we are out in a open pasture, their is nothing we like to do best than galloping through the grass. This is where he wastes his energy, that and jumping.

    Some horses are calm, some hyper. My horse is hyper, and I know he always will be, its just a part of him that will always be their. But if your horse trusts and respects you, he wont try and buck you off, or spook at everything, he might always be hyper, he just wont waste it on nonsense like bucking and etc.

    Ground work, patience, love, a firm hand, and hope, should get you through (:
         
        11-08-2011, 09:19 PM
      #33
    Yearling
    Sarahann, my dads not a horse person, my moms a horse person but doesnt do any work with them. They are my horses and I paid for them. Feed, work, ride, clean up after. The only time my mom does this is when im not home or sick. She has ridding once this year on the three year old. Thank you very much. And when she rides I have to saddle and bridle them. Thank you all for you input.
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        11-09-2011, 12:41 AM
      #34
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Over Jump    
    His current diet (Well, technically he has been on this diet since we rescued him) is Oats and Alfalfa. Yes, I know, its high in protein and that equals craziness on the horses part. I was unwilling to switch his feed because of some behavioral problems, so, I didn't. Instead I worked with it.
    Sorry but that is a stupid reason not to change feed. Infact it is the complete opposite of correct feeding.
    You should feed to suppliment energy and it should be in response to how much work they are doing.
    YOu can have far better weight gaining feeds than oats, ones that wont blow your horses brains, heck even barley is better then oats for weight. Oils are very good for weight as is alfabeet and conditioning mixes. I wouldnt let an oat anywhere near any of my horses, even my 28yr old steady as you like little pony would go off his head on them.
         
        11-09-2011, 01:31 AM
      #35
    Green Broke
    Faye I have to disagree, my 6yo WB is on oats and barley, my 19yo used to be on oats and barley, every horse I know is on oats and barley....no craziness, what so ever. And we aren't talking little portions here either ;)
    My mare is pretty sensitive, and in daily work, nothing too energy exerting, and due to the lack of grass, and boggyness of fields, is stood in her box... not loopy at all!
         
        11-09-2011, 07:10 AM
      #36
    Green Broke
    Thing is that yours obviously don't have a problem with the oats, however the poster above has said that desipite having behavioral problems related to too much energy she is not going to change feeds. That is bad feeding practice.

    It is not oats that are nessecarily bad but the starch and quick release energy in them does tend to send some horses off thier head.
    Also Cereals are noted as a very large contributing factor in azotoria (tyeing up). There have been several trials done that proove oats and barley are not the best thing to feed horses. Infact there is a large push in the UK to remove them from most complete feeds and the oat and barely free ranges are selling by the shed loads.
    I currently have my pony on Allen and page Calm and condition cubes. No barley, no oats, no fiz, lots of weight and lots of sparkle for the show ring

    I have had pride on oats for energy and my bomb proof pony who lacked energy turned into a raving loonatic.
         
        11-09-2011, 07:47 AM
      #37
    Green Broke
    I only wanted to point out blaming oats for bad behaviour/ too much energy is something I don't agree with. A lot of people believe oats give too much fizz.. not all the time, and it depends on the horse, but you pretty much blamed the oats ;).. well, how I read it!

    Now you've explained it can be a contributing factor to some horses, that's fairer, and unless you spend 45 on one bag of Dodson and Horrel out here (Personally found this had too much mollasses in for my dad's mare.. don't know about anyone else's experience) then oats and barley is the way forward, my mare has put on a lot of weight and condition since I bought her in June, and that's all she's had, no supplements, no specialist feed.. to be fair, I wouldn't know where to start on specialist feeds, and there are so many cons out there.. I like barley and oats for a horse in work, my mare is never a raving lunatic, or a nutter, or strong etc. They might not be for everyone, I agree, and you change your feed to your horse and lifestyle, but lack of training, age and numerous other factors may have come in to this as well, not just oats :)
         
        11-09-2011, 07:56 AM
      #38
    Green Broke
    Duffy where on earth are you? D&H does not cost 45 euros.
    In the UK it costs 8 a bag. In Belgium it is approx 12euros.
    Heck if you have people stupid enopugh to be paying 45 euros for it i'll start exporting it and will make a fortune, belgium to germany isnt very far at all, I recon I could make about a 30 euro profit per bag with just a car full of them!

    My horse was very lean when I picked him up from the trainers yard in late september. He is now verging on overweight!
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        11-09-2011, 08:05 AM
      #39
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    I think everyone has their own opinion. I have heard from several people that you should fatten your horse up with oats and alfalfa, and keep them on it, in small portions, and have heard several people say you shouldn't. Its a matter of opinion, I believe. My horse is crazy, naturally, Im sorry, but the oats and Alfalfa don't make him crazy, its already in him. When I said "His current diet (Well, technically he has been on this diet since we rescued him) is Oats and Alfalfa. Yes, I know, its high in protein and that equals craziness on the horses part. I was unwilling to switch his feed because of some behavioral problems, so, I didn't. Instead I worked with it." I didn't mean the behavioral issues were coming from the feed. I meant that I wasn't willing to blame his naughtiness on his food. And sure enough, it wasn't his food. It was simply him. He is now still full of energy, but he now NEVER bucks, rears, or bolts (Knock on wood) (AND I ride him in a sidepull) AND he is on the same feed. It wasnt the feed doing that to him. Now that he respects and trusts me, he doesnt do those things.

    Can't blame the feed for everything!
         
        11-09-2011, 01:06 PM
      #40
    Weanling
    Personally I wouldnt blame the feed, oats or not. Oats fed properly do not make a horse a hot head.
    However I sure would be interested to know who the sire and dam was of this paint horse because blood lines sure do predict how calm and cool a horse might be.

    The horse is just a baby, it needs time, lots of riding and a ton of intelligent well thought out training. The OP is not interested in outside training (help)and therefor has made his/her first unintellegent choice. Its not going to get better, it will get worse.
    OP needs to enlist the help of someone who can help him/her with the horse.
    Asking how to calm down a 3 year old is the first red flag that I see.

    Only time, experience, and trust will slow down a young horse. There is no magic fix.

    I know this is not what you want to hear once again....get a trainer.
         

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