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    03-05-2012, 08:29 AM
  #101
Weanling
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Originally Posted by yourcolorfuladdiction    

It's the same thing with horses. Acknowledge the horse may have a developmental issue because it was deprived of air at birth. And instead of putting it down, start educating it on its manners from birth. If you throw it out in a field and leave it alone for 3 years, yes you will have a dangerous horse but if you dedicate your time to raising the foal correctly with consistent rules that the foal has to follow, there is no reason you can't raise a good horse. Granted if you're not going to put the time and effort into training the foal from birth I would suggest putting it down because you will be sparing the foal a long life of hardship. But it's not hard to train a foal before it learns dangerous behavior. 6 months is waiting way too late for a foal from these circumstances.
I have worked with oxygen deprived animals who were spared death at birth. In my opinion all the owners have done is prolonged the inevitable. The ones I have had the displeasure of working with have been aggressive above normal levels. There is no place for aggressive horses in the world...they are far far too dangerous and unpredictable. You can take all the time in the world to teach them different but their brains are different. They react irrationally and extremely aggressive for no fault of the human and I guess sadly, not really any fault of their own BUT they are still prone to behavior that can make them extremely dangerous and yes even deadly. I just think it's best to just end something before it begins. The same applies for horses like Arabians born with Cerebrial Abiotrophy why subject the poor thing to a life of confusion and lack of coordination? My sister ended up with an arabian afflicted by this and she tried very hard for 6 whole years to give her as normal of a life as possible but in the end it was this disorder that eventually claimed her because she fell over a hill and impaled her rear end on a log. Sometimes mother nature knows best. Horses have the purpose of keeping it's human "safe" if it is going to be undependable and even aggressive towards humans and other animals it is just best to put them down or instead of blowing them back, just let them pass away...shows more compassion to me to do this in the beginning, than to wait several years until something bad comes of it.
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    03-05-2012, 08:48 AM
  #102
Weanling
Since we don't know what caused the horses aggression, they are all guesses. No one ever said/or knows the horse was deprived oxygen at birth.

The horse having a fever for a prolonged time, we do know. And I have seen cases of animals becoming aggressive after such fevers.

To the OP, you made the best decision, and you are in my thoughts.
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    03-05-2012, 09:24 AM
  #103
Weanling
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Originally Posted by InStyle    
The horse having a fever for a prolonged time, we do know. And I have seen cases of animals becoming aggressive after such fevers.

To the OP, you made the best decision, and you are in my thoughts.
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I agree 100%...I would say the fever had something to do with it. I would also like to say that by sharing this experience with us the OP has given everyone a wealth of information from her unfortunate experience with this animal that may help others...so maybe something good can come of it.
     
    03-05-2012, 10:17 AM
  #104
Banned
Lots of interesting pontification and speculation going on but last I saw of the OP's postings, she'd taken the difficult decision to have the horse humanely put down and to save risk of any other injury or accident.

I notice she'd said that her brother was a vet and so perhaps he will out of interest ensure a PM is undertaken to check for anything that might have been a root cause and other than this being "just" a serious and catastrophic behavioural thing.
     
    03-05-2012, 02:31 PM
  #105
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by hoopla    
Lots of interesting pontification and speculation going on but last I saw of the OP's postings, she'd taken the difficult decision to have the horse humanely put down and to save risk of any other injury or accident.

I notice she'd said that her brother was a vet and so perhaps he will out of interest ensure a PM is undertaken to check for anything that might have been a root cause and other than this being "just" a serious and catastrophic behavioural thing.
That was discussed but I don't know if it happened.
     
    03-05-2012, 10:22 PM
  #106
Foal
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Originally Posted by herdbound    
I have worked with oxygen deprived animals who were spared death at birth. In my opinion all the owners have done is prolonged the inevitable. The ones I have had the displeasure of working with have been aggressive above normal levels. There is no place for aggressive horses in the world...they are far far too dangerous and unpredictable. You can take all the time in the world to teach them different but their brains are different. They react irrationally and extremely aggressive for no fault of the human and I guess sadly, not really any fault of their own BUT they are still prone to behavior that can make them extremely dangerous and yes even deadly. I just think it's best to just end something before it begins. The same applies for horses like Arabians born with Cerebrial Abiotrophy why subject the poor thing to a life of confusion and lack of coordination? My sister ended up with an arabian afflicted by this and she tried very hard for 6 whole years to give her as normal of a life as possible but in the end it was this disorder that eventually claimed her because she fell over a hill and impaled her rear end on a log. Sometimes mother nature knows best. Horses have the purpose of keeping it's human "safe" if it is going to be undependable and even aggressive towards humans and other animals it is just best to put them down or instead of blowing them back, just let them pass away...shows more compassion to me to do this in the beginning, than to wait several years until something bad comes of it.
At what age did you start working with these horses? I'm of the Buck Brannaman school of thought, and I doubt you'll change my mind. He and I both believe that if you start young enough you can help these horses. But if you don't start young there is nothing you can do.

I've had the pleasure of working with some oxygen deprived horses that were raised properly and they were sweet and happy horses, neither agressive or unpredictable.

Also, Stan please don't lecture me on psychology I am very well versed thank you as that's what my degree is in ;) (i also never said that mentally disabled people live normal lives).
     
    03-05-2012, 11:32 PM
  #107
Weanling
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Originally Posted by yourcolorfuladdiction    
At what age did you start working with these horses? I'm of the Buck Brannaman school of thought, and I doubt you'll change my mind. He and I both believe that if you start young enough you can help these horses. But if you don't start young there is nothing you can do.

I've had the pleasure of working with some oxygen deprived horses that were raised properly and they were sweet and happy horses, neither agressive or unpredictable.

Also, Stan please don't lecture me on psychology I am very well versed thank you as that's what my degree is in ;) (i also never said that mentally disabled people live normal lives).
I love and believe in Buck, Tom Dorrence & Ray Hunt's methods btw ;) But I also believe in mother nature...and when an animal is deprived of oxygen it does damage to their brains. That is irefuteable and the damage is permanent. Looking at a baby you cannot tell to what degree that damage has been done...no one can. I believe that it is best to just end the life then and there. I know in the movie Buck they have that wild palomino stallion who is sent away and the owner says she is going to put him down just because he is too dangerous. I wanted to beat that woman within an inch short of her life because even more so than his "being blown back" SHE was his biggest problem. I do part ways with you though on the fact that they all turn out ok IF handled correctly. No. There are horses who have damage to areas of their brains that just make them "unstable"...and it is not their fault I understand that...they are only doing what they are wired to do. I just believe that it is best to not blow back foals. Let them pass on. I feel it only prolongs the inevitable and you are playing russian roulette with what you are going to get a few years down the road.
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    03-05-2012, 11:37 PM
  #108
Weanling
And I also would like to say that this woman is probably suffering for her loss and this may not be the time nor the place to argue about our personal beliefs on this subject. You are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours so we should be gracious and agree to disagree...if you would like to debate it further please feel free to IM me or we can leave it at that. I do not want to cause her anymore grief than necessary.
     
    03-06-2012, 07:34 AM
  #109
Foal
Just a little more info about my horse to clarify.......
I purchased him when he was about 12 years old. He was a rescue horse that a woman saved from one of her relatives along with another horse, an Arab. She told me that it took her 1 year to get my Saddlebred back to health. She sent him to a barn to be used in a lesson program, but she said "He did not earn his keep" so he was sent back to her. We knew absolutely nothing else about his past. This woman was honest when she said he needed an advanced rider. I took a trainer with me and the barn owner I knew at the time with me to check out the horse. (By the way the barn owner's vet was the person who told us about this horse for sale. The vet was the one who had got this horse back to good health.) I rode him and I loved him. He needed work on his canter, but the trainer assured me that it cound be fixed. We all thought he had the willingness to learn. At the 1st barn, he didn't show aggression toward the other horses, but he would kick in his stall so much that he even kicked the wall down that separated his stall form the next one. The barn owners were very angry-I don't blame them. (I had been at this barn for 11 years with my previous Saddlbred that died of cancer.) Within 6 mon I had moved to a place with a huge stall and the horses were placed outside much longer druing the day before they were brought in. This seemed to work for awhile, until the barn owner would run out of hay to feed the horses and medications/supplements were not given to horses etc, so I moved to barn #3. Here is when he got the 106 degree fever for no reason at all. This is Natisha's barn. She took awesome care of him. He started the severe attacks that were witnessed by the barn owner. I tried another barn ...barn #4. He was great the first 3 months no problem. They knew what he had done in the past-I told them. They didn't believe it based on what they had observed....Then out of the blue...He attacked and the barn owner said she had never seen anything like it. I had to leave. Natisha offered to take him back...I went back to barn #3. She had him in his own paddock. Occasionally, some of my rides on him were challenging. Then Jan 2011, I came out to let me loose in the arena..it was too cold to ride. I could tell he was in his "bad" mode. The second I let him loose in the indoor arena, he went ballistic and kicked and missed my head by inches-another boarder saw it and said, "You've got to do something about that horse". (I should have released him with him facing me not on the side of him-my mistake.) So that is when my brother said , "Let's just let him be a horse, bring him down by me". Please know- I had a lot of great, wonderful rides with him-more so than bad. My brother had him in a separate pasture at first. As they observed him, he showed no aggression. They loved him! They noticed he was a nervous horse, somewhat hyper at times, but showed no aggression. So, they tried him with 10 of their mares. They watched very closely and things were fine. In the pecking order, he was low man on the totem pole. For over a year-no incidents!!! Then last Friday out of the blue....it happened. My sister in law was there. She saw it from start to finish. She ran out to try to intervene but couldn't stop it. The mare he killed was the buddy he hung around with. She was a wonderful mare! I don't get it. I still can't believe it . All of us are in a coma here. Out entire family and extended family is just so saddened. He was so beautiful and he could be so good. He just had the darn "switch". One thing for sure is he taught me to be a much better rider.

Thank you all again for your information and kind words. This forum is therapy for me in helping me learn and deal with this.

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    03-06-2012, 08:00 AM
  #110
Weanling
Well it sounds to me that in every situation as soon as he felt "comfortable" and had adjusted his "bad side" came shining through. And as far as blaming yourself for him kicking at you because you didn't release him from the front...that is nonsense. You should be able to let go of a horse any which way you want without fear of it kicking at you. From that post all I can say is thank God this was a horse he attacked and not a human, it sounds as if he "tolerated" people but didn't really respect you. I truly am sorry for your loss...you could nit pick the "what if's" and "whys" for the rest of your life BUT please don't blame yourself for this. I don't feel as if you did anything wrong, you were probably just hoping this would pass...but honestly I don't think it would have and you did the right thing. Feel no guilt about it. You tried very hard to give him a good life but I would say the fever may have escalated an already "bad" situation.
     

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