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post #21 of 147 Old 03-03-2012, 09:16 AM
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I'm sorry, but it sounds like this may be "one of those horses". Even if kept secluded for the rest of his life, there's always the risk of him escaping....someone mistakenly turning him out with other horses. You have to weight the risks and ask yourself if it's really best to keep him alive. So sorry you have to go through this.
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post #22 of 147 Old 03-03-2012, 09:54 AM
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When we moved to the farm about six years ago among th horses my grandfather bought me were some Saddlers. Among them was an eighteen year old Saddler Stallion, a son of Ben Gurion. A stunning animal. With a reputation for killing any other male horse he can sink his teeth in. He thankfully came with a mare, a half sister to whom he was extremely attached, so I just made sure I kept the two of them in a seperate camp away from my other horses. Thankfully the farm is divided into several camps, so it was relatively easy, and he never showed any aggression towards mares, once or twice I would put another mare in with him and Lady and like clockwork 11 months later you would have a souvenier. Then his Lady died. At 20 years of age and with a threemonth old filly at foot, one morning she did not come down to the water. We found her lying dead in the veld from no apparent cause. Now I had a problem, what to do with old Ben? Thenkfully salvation came in the form of a Saddler breeder who originally wanted to buy the mare, but was willing to take the stallion of my hands. He has the facilities to handle him and last I heard he had succesfully fathered several more foals and were living as good a life as is possible.
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Sadly I agree with your brother... if your horse has this intense anger, I'd hate for you to be riding him when the switch turns on and you've no control... hard but clear decision I think...
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Just a few comments. I don't have huge experience with horses, so you can decide if they are relevant...

1 - I've frequently met DOGS who were aggressive toward other dogs, or people, but not both. I've owned a number of dogs who would give their lives without question fighting a dog to protect their people, but who would rather die than ever hurt a person. A 65 lb shepherd mix is now living with my oldest daughter. He is an outstanding guard dog, and he once placed himself between my wife and an aggressive 180 Rottweiler in a stance that clearly said, "You'll have to kill me first" - but if a baby pokes him in the face, he just hides his face.

If horses treated people the way they treat themselves, we would never be able to ride. They would just beat the tar out of us and go back to eating.

2 - Some horses develop hatred for another horse. I sold a mare in Dec 2010 because Trooper hated her, and she hated him. And it was only getting worse. Both got along fine with other horses, but would look for a chance to attack the other one. Trooper was heavier and could win, but Lilly developed a dislike for him that turned into mutual hatred.

She was uncommonly good with every other horse she met, and is now sharing a corral with 2 other horses. We share a trainer & a farrier with the new owners, and I'm told they think she is the best horse they have met. And without her, Trooper does well.

3 - That said, I'm not big on taking chances. Last December, we were given a mustang pony. Small enough for a child to mount, but strong enough to gallop easily with my 175 lbs on his back. He is sure-footed and level headed. The equine dentist, after working on his teeth, offered to buy him on the spot for her nieces. And if I wanted a 4th horse, I'm sure I could have another one free within a week.

If I had a dog that was truly aggressive toward other dogs - who would seek them out to kill them - I'd shoot him ASAP. I've known people who keep dogs like that for years because they were good around people, but I'm not one of them. I ended up with a 3rd dog after one followed my brother-in-law home from the desert. The dog is playful, very loving, and is the gentlest dog I've ever met around babies. Why would I want to take a chance on a dog that kills other dogs - even just once?

I feel the same about horses. If it was a valuable stud, I might put up with it. If I was in to a particular sport, and the horse was awesome at it...I'd figure out how to deal with it. But for just riding? Not a chance! I wouldn't know how to live with myself if there was a repeat killing...
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post #25 of 147 Old 03-03-2012, 10:19 AM
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Welcome to the forum. Too bad it is for such a sad reason.

Yes, I have heard of similar situations. There was a saddle mule that we used for our pack trips. He was extremely aggressive towards foals and actually killed a couple of good Belgian draft foals. He jumped a fence into a neighboring ranchers field where they were.

It is not unknown for there to be aggression issues between mares and geldings. That is a reason most farms keep them in separate pastures. Usually the aggression stops at a certain point...but not always. Sorry.
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Is he agelding? I must have missedthat part.
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I think others have given you some good advise so I'm not going to repeat it.
Something that goes through my mind as I read this is- what is going on inside this horse's head to cause him to behave this way. Whatever it is it, it might be something that tourments him, or causes him to be a "tortured soul" if one could put a human inflection on it.
You said he had a "switch" of sorts, and it seems there are other red flags about this horse.
As owners of animals, sometimes we have to make tough choices for our animals because they can't make those choices for themselves.
Sometimes euthanasia really is the kindest choice we can make.
Terrible wounds and injuries can certainly make euthanasia the obvious choice at times of trauma, but as owners we sometimes need to make the same choice for inner injuries or trauma because it may be the right thing to do for the animal.
Hugs. It is a difficult place to be in.
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post #28 of 147 Old 03-03-2012, 10:40 AM
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I would also have to agree with most of the posters. Putting her down is the only sure way to prevent her from hurting others again. You never know next time it could be a person, and you could end up with a law suit.

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OP, I am so very sorry that this happened to you. It must of been very traumatic.

I, also, have had this sort of situation to deal with, but with a donkey. Donkeys, ofcourse- are wired differently from horses, but the reason was still the same. This particular donkey, Angelo, was a part of our small petting zoo that we had on our farm and that we brought to parades and events. He was a very mellow animal, minus the trademark stubborness.

Well one day he got out of his pen when one of our volunteers went to get his companion for work. He ran out, jumped into one our our miniature horse mare's pastures, and promptly zeroed in on our tiny 2 day old colt. He savagely attacked him, and would of killed him if the BO's son had not bravely (and in retrospect, probably rashly) jumped in and grabbed the colt out of the way. The donkey didn't stop there though, and when the colt was not in reach he turned on the boy and grabbed him arm and face, tearing the boys arm up so badly that he was in the ICU for two weeks and has permanent and severe scarring on his neck, face, and arm. The donkey was promptly shot by our BO. We couldn't risk the donkey doing something even nearly as bad again, with us running a therapy center for children.

Having said that, I think that if you feel like there is ANY chance that this gelding will act agressively against people, or you have no way to pasture him completely solitarily, kill him. An agressive horse is not often seen, but it is extremely dangerous, especially after having the satisfaction if victory.
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post #30 of 147 Old 03-03-2012, 10:52 AM
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Id say have him put down sounds like he just to dangerous to keep around he doesnt sound like hes to safe to ride either. I own a gelding who cannot be with other horses hes mean and will beat the tar out of them. But there have been times he got into the corral with my mare and gelding and all three standing side by side eating hay. Hes also a wonderful riding horse never mean under saddle. I think over the years hes gotten better i see him playing over the fence with my gelding.
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