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    11-06-2011, 05:16 PM
  #1
Foal
today went from great to terrible :( what to do about shoving

Ok so today I almost couldn't wait for it to get all bright and warm outside so I could go get my boy, Rocky. I went over ground work and then tried it without a haltar or anything and it went all great.

Afterwards I brought him in the yard with 6 chairs lined up, 3 on opposite sides, and walked him through until he walked slowly and calmly b/c he's chlastrophobic. Then when I moved on to backing and stepping slowly he all the sudden started shoving me. Even after doing it right once or twice. I ended up spending nearly 3 hours on something that was review!

Thank goodness my neighbor said he would help me tomorrow. He does nh with his horses so I hope this goes well
     
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    11-06-2011, 05:19 PM
  #2
Banned
What do you mean by "shoving?" What exactly were you trying to accomplish with the chairs?
     
    11-06-2011, 05:27 PM
  #3
Foal
The mistake you made was pushing your luck after he did it right and not moving on to something else. You can still come back later and try again but if he does it right and you do it again he'll think he was wrong the last time. Don't feel bad we all do it.
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    11-06-2011, 05:36 PM
  #4
Trained
How long had you been repeating the exercise before he shoved you?
Horses have short attention spans, and if you allow them to get bored, they will often find a way to entertain themselves - which often comes in the form of trying to invade your space, intimidate you or spook at nothing!
If you're going to work with a horse for a long period of time, at least mix it up, give them breaks and keep it interesting.
Going for 3 hours would have accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, your horse probably would have 'switched off' after 30mins - 1 hour.
     
    11-06-2011, 05:37 PM
  #5
Foal
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
What do you mean by "shoving?" What exactly were you trying to accomplish with the chairs?
i mean pushing me out of the way. With the chairs lined up on both sides facing each other so there was a 5 foot wide path to lead him through. He was supposed to learn that its ok to be in small spaces and when he calmed down I gave him sunflower seeds as a reward.
     
    11-06-2011, 05:42 PM
  #6
Foal
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
How long had you been repeating the exercise before he shoved you?
Horses have short attention spans, and if you allow them to get bored, they will often find a way to entertain themselves - which often comes in the form of trying to invade your space, intimidate you or spook at nothing!
If you're going to work with a horse for a long period of time, at least mix it up, give them breaks and keep it interesting.
Going for 3 hours would have accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, your horse probably would have 'switched off' after 30mins - 1 hour.
I tried to stop every 20 mins and take a break. I was prob... like 20-30 mins into it when he started. I have no clue. He has done this before though and I was expecting that he'd remember it.
     
    11-06-2011, 05:49 PM
  #7
Trained
Instead of repeating the exercise for 3 hours, you could have tried to address the pushing problem specifically, and then gone casually back to your exercise for a few minutes. I probably would have worked him in a circle and worked on re-establishing your personal 'bubble' before going back to the chair exercise for a short period of time.
     
    11-06-2011, 08:57 PM
  #8
Banned
I don't understand why you were working him on walking through a "hallway" for 30 minutes straight, anyway....
     
    11-06-2011, 10:05 PM
  #9
Showing
Well here's what I have to say.

Everything you ask of your horse.. it needs to be their idea first if they are unsure or scared of it. Being in tight spaces is against nature's safety net. Horses LOVE space, because that's how they survive..they flee and they need ROOM to flee! Lessen the space, and you make them more nervous. He was probably shoving you because he felt trapped.. you pushed him too far out of his comfort zone. He could have trampled you..

I'd work on building up to small spaces. I'd turn him out in the arena with a course starting wide and slowly getting more narrow. Put some hay in the narrow spot.. make him explore it on his own terms.

If you want to lead him, go in front and wait until he takes on step forward.. praise him.. for trying!

Sometimes 5 minutes of trying is better than 30 minutes filled with disasters.

Remember, you want them to feel safe.. and you want them to get it right the first time. They don't speak English, they know pressure, release.. and food and pats :P
     
    11-06-2011, 10:11 PM
  #10
Trained
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
Well here's what I have to say.

Everything you ask of your horse.. it needs to be their idea first if they are unsure or scared of it. Being in tight spaces is against nature's safety net. Horses LOVE space, because that's how they survive..they flee and they need ROOM to flee! Lessen the space, and you make them more nervous. He was probably shoving you because he felt trapped.. you pushed him too far out of his comfort zone. He could have trampled you..

I'd work on building up to small spaces. I'd turn him out in the arena with a course starting wide and slowly getting more narrow. Put some hay in the narrow spot.. make him explore it on his own terms.

If you want to lead him, go in front and wait until he takes on step forward.. praise him.. for trying!

Sometimes 5 minutes of trying is better than 30 minutes filled with disasters.

Remember, you want them to feel safe.. and you want them to get it right the first time. They don't speak English, they know pressure, release.. and food and pats :P
This may well be the case, but from the OP's description, I still think this is very much a boredom issue, if she had been doing the same exercise for 30mins straight. If it was a feel issue, he would have run straight through her or become very fidgety. Shoving with the head is more of a dominance, invading of space issue, not fear.
     

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