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  • How to soften myler combination rawhide noseband
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    12-23-2011, 08:52 PM
  #1
Trained
Today's Rant - Green Horse & Pushy Owner [Long]

So the green horse is Exclusive Gunshow, aka Ruger. I posted his first ride on her awhile ago. He got sixty days, a summer off for trail riding, and has been back to work for about a week now in the arena. The Owner I'm talking about is my Mom, since he is technically hers even though I ride him.

Well, Ruger likes to fling his head around. Yes, his teeth are FINE. Two vets and three dentists couldn't all be missing something. He's just very fidgety. I can ask him to soften his face in the snaffle and he will, but he is just very busy. He's only three.

The thing is, at the barn, there is one kid who rides the horses for the trainer who accidently used the wrong bit on Ruger. He used a twisted wire snaffle when it was supposed to be a Myler Comfort snaffle. Well long story short, Ruger has some sores on his mouth. Nothing too bad but enough to make softening nearly impossible because it hurts.

So, his normal rider put him in a side pull until his sores can heal. He works fine in this but is not used to being asked to soften from the nose pressure. He's getting it slowly, but he's only been in it a day so I'm happy with what he's learning.

Back when he was still being ridden in the bit Mom then wanted to advance him onto a Myler combination, which has shanks AND a nose rope. I don't think he is ready for that. I don't like the bit anyway, I don't think adding both pressures just to cover up his high headed nature is going to help. I tried to explain that and she won't listen to me.

So now that he's in the side pull, she wants to put him in a bosal because he's still not softening. I don't like this either. I tried to explain to her that he's only been in it a day and he's already making a considerable advancement into it. That and the bosal would probably just confuse him at this point in time, that and Mom doesn't know how to ride in one. She just bought one and started riding without ever learning and its kinda getting bad, especially since I've actually had lessons with the bosal from a trainer and she still won't listen to me.

What do you guys think? I want to keep him in the sidepull actually, I don't mind if he's bitless and I actually like him better without the snaffle. He's picking up on things much faster than he did before.
     
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    12-23-2011, 09:23 PM
  #2
Banned
Don't ride him for two days. His sores will heal. Go back to the comfort snaffle.
     
    12-23-2011, 09:32 PM
  #3
Trained
Bubba, just out of curiosity, why? I'm paying the trainer for 30 days riding and like I said I actually like him better in the side pull. I am thinking about keeping him in it for good. All he will be is a team penning horse or a gaming horse down the road.
     
    12-23-2011, 09:43 PM
  #4
Banned
Not a giant fan of sidepulls, but if you like them, go for it. I just find it difficult to get my point across clearly to the horse, without making exaggerated movements. But nothing inherently wrong with them, no.
     
    12-23-2011, 10:18 PM
  #5
Foal
I actually found out that my three year old responds much better and softens better in a hackamore and with the bit he fights and is constantly mouthy. I say go what he seems better in even if that is bitless
     
    12-24-2011, 10:16 PM
  #6
Foal
I haven't been on this forum in a long time, but now I'm back, and this post got to me.

It seems to me that this colt is being asked for a lot for being only three. But it also sounds like easing up on him is not in the cards, so I'll let that pass.

Your mother is never going to listen to your advice, even though you are right and she is wrong. She's just not going to take it from you. You need to look for an adult ally who respects your equine judgment and get that person to talk to her, keeping your name out of it as much as possible. (Sneaky but not unethical, and more effective.)

But to me, sidepull or no sidepull, why not let the poor boy have a few days off until he's no longer sore? Can't you ride another horse? Even if you can't, in the great scheme of things it's only a few days. It's not like you need to get ready for a show, or there's some major issue that must be dealt with right away. By working him when he's injured, you're giving him the idea that humans won't look out for his best interest, and that destroys trust. He's young, give him a break.

Overall, though, I do think you're showing better judgment than your mother about how to deal with training issues. I just wish you'd give this young guy a little Christmas present.
     
    12-24-2011, 10:41 PM
  #7
Yearling
I think the Myler combination bit might really (pleasantly) surprise you in how your horse takes to it. My young gelding was very fidgety and high headed when he was younger. I put him in the Myler combination bit (leather noseband instead of rawhide) and -- because he was responsive to nose and poll pressure from the halter -- he did beautifully. He learned that the slight increase in nose and poll pressure came before the bit pressure, and he became very light. It can be a very gentle bit with the comfort snaffle mouthpiece. It totally fixed his high headed problem.

I agree with the other posters, though, and would totally give him a break until his mouth heals. There is no reason to ask him to work when he's been injured. His attention won't be on his lesson and you can do a lot of ground work while he's healing.
     

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