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    02-16-2012, 06:05 PM
  #71
Yearling
^those bits are works of art!
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    02-16-2012, 07:24 PM
  #72
Foal
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Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
My barrel mare Lark was trained and ridden in this..I will NOT ever put it back into her mouth and have been working for months to soften that poor girl's mouth...I DO hate it with a passion.

Really, if you want to say that one bit is bad and another and another..actually ANY bit can be awful in the wrong hands and the wrong rider. I don't care what bit you choose..any can be used wrong and the horse suffer from it...






My mare Nikki runs in this


Lark and Hickory run in this -


Would I put one of those on a green horse? No. Would I let a heavy handed person use those? No... But I know my horses and what works best for them.
oh my gawd! That first bit ought to be illegal, it looks like a torture device! I love the combo bit on the bottom, except for the twisted wire, that a little too harsh for mine, as they are not finished yes.
     
    02-16-2012, 10:20 PM
  #73
Foal
I have an 18 year old mare, she uses a d-ring snaffle. For showing (western pleasure, [4-h show] )i need a differnt bit however any suggestions?
     
    02-16-2012, 10:30 PM
  #74
Showing
43horses, if you go back up and read through some of the previous posts, there are a couple of posts with links to nice, mild curb bits that are suitable for a horse just moving up from a snaffle.

One thing you'll need to make sure of first is that your horse will neck rein. They don't have to be perfect at it, but a good solid base is a must. If she won't neck rein, you'll need to teach that before trying her in a curb.
     
    02-18-2012, 06:00 PM
  #75
Trained
CowChick If you are going to post pics of those fancy bits then the least you can do is say who made them! Great bits anyway. I may start a fancy bit thread although I don't have much to offer it. Most of my stuff is pretty utilitarian.
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    02-18-2012, 06:20 PM
  #76
Trained
The fancy bit thread is up in the Horse Talk sub-forum.
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    02-18-2012, 06:30 PM
  #77
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
CowChick If you are going to post pics of those fancy bits then the least you can do is say who made them! Great bits anyway. I may start a fancy bit thread although I don't have much to offer it. Most of my stuff is pretty utilitarian.
LOL, good idea Kevin!

In the first set of pics.
1. The little short shanked bit is a Kerry Kelley/Cactus bit

2. Jeremiah Watt

3. Benny Guitron/Franco

4. Paul Garcia

In the second set...

1. Garcia, also have the matching spurs. Hubbys mom bought the whole set for him for a b-day present. Very 70's collectible.

2. Elko star, bit unmarked. Friend of ours needed money and a pistol. We traded for it, it was his great grandfathers. I think it is kinda unwritten that you don't trade off a friends stuff if they are in a bad way so if they ever come back into a little money or tack they can trade back for it.

3. Is the same Benny Guitron/Franco
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    02-18-2012, 08:22 PM
  #78
Weanling
Gota Dun. This is not meant to be critical of either you or the bit you posted but I was wondering if you know what the mechanics of that bit are. The reason I am asking is because I think a lot of people buy a bit without really knowing how it works. Leverage bits are measured in ratios. A bit that has upper shanks that are two inches long from the top of the mouth piece to the top of the bridal ring and a lower shank that is five inches from the bottom of the mouth piece to the center of the rein ring would have a 2 to 5 ratio. The longer the upper shank is the more pressure that is applied to the poll. A bit that has a 4 to 5 ratio would apply a tremendous amount of poll pressure due to the leverage of the fulcrum effect. When both the top and bottom shank are long there is also more leverage on the curb strap pulling it forward and tightening it against the horses lower jaw bone. It's hard to tell from the picture but your bit looks to have maybe a 2.5 to 5 ratio which would be slightly on the strong side.
The lower shanks appear longer than they are because of figure eight in the shank that takes up some of the length. Also, the shanks are swept back which softens the action of the curb and delays the action of the curb slightly which gives a warning to the horse and a chance to respond. English Pelhams and Liverpools that have vertical shanks are not kind bits. Your bit has a lot of tongue relief. This is nice for the tongue but it also brings the bar of the mouthpiece closer to the bars of the horses jaw. Lastly before buying any leverage bit the balance should be checked. When laid on the open hand the bit should tilt to the rear. The port should never be vertical. I would not have a problem with trying your bit on my horse.
     
    02-19-2012, 07:19 AM
  #79
Yearling
^yes I know the mechanics of that bit. I know the mechanics of all the bits I own. But there is a problem when people unfamilar with shanked bits, look at a TT, see a jointed mouthpiece and think it's an ok bit because it has a jointed mouthpiece. And of course the advertising of these bits doesn't help any either.
     
    02-20-2012, 12:00 AM
  #80
Weanling
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Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
^yes I know the mechanics of that bit. I know the mechanics of all the bits I own. But there is a problem when people unfamilar with shanked bits, look at a TT, see a jointed mouthpiece and think it's an ok bit because it has a jointed mouthpiece. And of course the advertising of these bits doesn't help any either.
Not only that but I see that now they are calling any bit with shanks, no matter how long, and a jointed mouthpiece a Tom Thumb.
     

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