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    02-20-2012, 02:57 AM
  #81
Weanling
IN NZ this is a tom thumb:



Which is really just a snaffle and reasonably soft you see them on ponies alot - Im assuming though the OP was meaning the curb bit one that you are all referring too ?

Always funny how over the other side of the world same name can mean totally different things!

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    02-20-2012, 11:10 PM
  #82
Weanling
My favorite bit is a full cheek snaffle. I feel like if you get a horse to listen in a snaffle why go harsher on them. I mean its kinda like whispering to your child "go clean your room" and they do it...but even though they respond to you when you whisper successfully...the next time screaming at them GO CLEAN YOUR ROOM!!!!...why? I hate TT...here everyone rides with them...I am the odd ball. A horsey friend who is getting back in horses asked what bit to put on her horse I said get a snaffle. She went to Tractor Supply to get one and asked for one and the lady tried to sell her a TT and told her it was the same exact thing! I called down and gave them hell about it. Thank God she didnt buy it.
     
    02-21-2012, 03:11 AM
  #83
Foal
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Originally Posted by herdbound    
My favorite bit is a full cheek snaffle. I feel like if you get a horse to listen in a snaffle why go harsher on them. I mean its kinda like whispering to your child "go clean your room" and they do it...but even though they respond to you when you whisper successfully...the next time screaming at them GO CLEAN YOUR ROOM!!!!...why?
To me, if a snaffle is like telling your child "go clean your room," then going up to a curb is more like just looking at the kid and they already know what they're supposed to do and so they do it. They don't need so much encouragement in the curb if they've properly been schooled in a snaffle. If they don't immediately do what they need to be doing, then you gently ask at first and only get harsh if they ignore you. When you switch bits, you need to switch the way you work your hands. With a curb, I can lightly jiggle my rein and my horse will lower his head. The same horse in a snaffle will only be confused by the reins wiggling at his neck because there's no contact in his mouth. If you up your bit and soften your hands, you will have a softer horse.
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    02-21-2012, 04:22 PM
  #84
Weanling
Idk...I just can get my horse to do anything I need to do in that snaffle. Between the bit and the legs she knows what I want. I have extremely soft hands and I really naturally just stay out of their mouths. When I got my mare she had always been ridden with the big shanked western pleasure style bit and I threw it to the side and started her on the snaffle. At first we had some problems...she kinda acted like it was a joke...but I didn't stop trying it. Eventually she got it. I really don't have to stop her to much with my hands...just shift my weight back in the saddle. I turn her alot with my legs too...thats just my style of riding though. I try to let her mouth alone as much as possible...I ride with my whole body. BUT I am aware not every horse is like my mare...and I am so thankful to have that mare cause she is just a good dang horse.

When I go to horse shows and I see people all up in the horses mouth I HATE it especially when it is a TT which in my area is so dang common everyone seems to use it and no one even tries to use it properly :(
     
    02-21-2012, 06:14 PM
  #85
Foal
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Originally Posted by herdbound    
Idk...I just can get my horse to do anything I need to do in that snaffle. Between the bit and the legs she knows what I want. I have extremely soft hands and I really naturally just stay out of their mouths. When I got my mare she had always been ridden with the big shanked western pleasure style bit and I threw it to the side and started her on the snaffle. At first we had some problems...she kinda acted like it was a joke...but I didn't stop trying it. Eventually she got it. I really don't have to stop her to much with my hands...just shift my weight back in the saddle. I turn her alot with my legs too...thats just my style of riding though. I try to let her mouth alone as much as possible...I ride with my whole body. BUT I am aware not every horse is like my mare...and I am so thankful to have that mare cause she is just a good dang horse.

When I go to horse shows and I see people all up in the horses mouth I HATE it especially when it is a TT which in my area is so dang common everyone seems to use it and no one even tries to use it properly :(
I do understand your point of view too, of course. I ride my horses in snaffles until showtime, and I even put my older guys in hackamores when I'm just riding for fun. I ride at a show barn that has one trainer and I always see her tossing corrections into these girl's horse's mouths and they're so surprised when their horse is listening so sharply (because most of them are so heavy handed the horse starts desperately looking for release). It's really sad. Some of them ride in corrections 24/7. I ride my horses in an offset D-Ring to keep them sharp and soft to my hand, and then ride them in a curb for a week before a show. After the show I go back to a D-Ring. Good riding is definitely all seat and leg with minimal rein cue.

At this same barn, the trainer has tom thumbs on all of her school horses. I hate it. Early beginners and daycamp kids are so jerky and clingy with their hands and double that with a TT and it's a sad situation. :\ I sold my old 17 year old gelding to her to use as a school horse and I made her sign a contract that she'd only use snaffles and hackamores on him. He's very soft mouthed and would throw a kid into the ground with a TT, even though he is one of the most patient horses I've ever known.
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    02-21-2012, 07:33 PM
  #86
Yearling
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Originally Posted by herdbound    
Idk...I just can get my horse to do anything I need to do in that snaffle. Between the bit and the legs she knows what I want. I have extremely soft hands and I really naturally just stay out of their mouths. When I got my mare she had always been ridden with the big shanked western pleasure style bit and I threw it to the side and started her on the snaffle. At first we had some problems...she kinda acted like it was a joke...but I didn't stop trying it. Eventually she got it. I really don't have to stop her to much with my hands...just shift my weight back in the saddle. I turn her alot with my legs too...thats just my style of riding though. I try to let her mouth alone as much as possible...I ride with my whole body. BUT I am aware not every horse is like my mare...and I am so thankful to have that mare cause she is just a good dang horse.

When I go to horse shows and I see people all up in the horses mouth I HATE it especially when it is a TT which in my area is so dang common everyone seems to use it and no one even tries to use it properly :(
You'll find most well trained western horses will perform in either a snaffle OR big big western curb bit, because hand is not used...everything comes from seat and leg. So what you are explaining above is not remarkable or out of the ordinary. It's just the result of a well trained western horse. I own one too.
     
    02-21-2012, 08:04 PM
  #87
Weanling
Gota...when I switched her we did have to have "words" quite a few times. It was actually quite a bit of work to take her down to just this snaffle. She looked at it like a joke in the beginning...she did not want to stop, turning her was a pain, she just acted like "phooey lady"...maybe it wasn't just the switch of the bit either I have done alot of work with her to on legs, flexion...ect...it just all started to happen bout the time I switched bits ;) lol I started a few horses this past summer and they all get the full cheek snaffle .

And Sanala it actually made me cringe to think of these kids jerky around on these poor lesson horses mouths hopefully someone is over seeing their riding and preventing too much damage being done.
     
    02-21-2012, 09:13 PM
  #88
Showing
What Gota is getting at is that her behavior is not due to the curb bit, it's due to bad training. I am also like Gota, and I can put any of my old horses that have only been ridden in curbs for years back into a simple snaffle and they respond just as well. I have to use more rein for them to feel the cue due to the mechanics of the bit, but they don't resist or ignore me.
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    02-22-2012, 06:27 AM
  #89
Yearling
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Originally Posted by smrobs    
What Gota is getting at is that her behavior is not due to the curb bit, it's due to bad training. I am also like Gota, and I can put any of my old horses that have only been ridden in curbs for years back into a simple snaffle and they respond just as well. I have to use more rein for them to feel the cue due to the mechanics of the bit, but they don't resist or ignore me.
Yep...exactly what I meant. I ride my horse is different bits every time I ride; from a snaffle, to a correction, to a low port grazer etc, and he responds the same in each bit. He doesn't like the tongue pressure of a single jointed snaffle, but he will still work in one.
     

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