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        04-20-2009, 10:34 AM
      #21
    mls
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Countrygal892000    
    So when you send a child to bed with no dinner is different? I guess I was raised in a more old fashioned house hold. There is nothing wrong with withholding water and food from a horse for a day. When I first got my horse she was wild, never seen a human except for maybe twice in her life. She was two and when we brought her home we kept her in the trailer for a day and a half and when we led her out we took her straight to water to let her know that we are here to love her and take care of her... its a step in earning her trust, and that plus a few other things I was riding her in three days. I know that everyone trains different and I completly respect that. I just don't want to be made out that im cruel to my animals. I love them with all my heart. I was brought up to train very very old fashioned. I learned from my grandfather. If you have something that works though, that is all that matters.
    Gee - guess I was never naughty enough to go to bed without supper. We had TV, phone use or other NON necessities taken away.

    Guess you have never had watch a horse colic due to dehydration.

    Even our NPO horses at the hospital have water in front of them at all times.
         
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        04-20-2009, 11:26 AM
      #22
    Weanling
    The kind of people who are willing to take away a horse's basic necessities are generally (please don't think im directly attacking you because this may not be true in your case) the kind of people who are all about having all the power and control in the relationship between them and their horse. That is not an effective way to work with a horse. Though the horse should respect you (not bite, kick, etc) , you also need to respect it. You should be a pair that works together freely.

    Also, it's completely different with a kid who gets sent to bed without dinner. Horses are NOT humans. They do not understand what they did wrong when you take away food or water, they just learn that they can't trust you to be the alpha and care for them. If done often enough this will also lead to a rude aggressive horse. Children have the capability to understand what they did and why they are not being fed. As well as that, when you send a child to bed without dinner or whatever they are being punished. What you proposed and said you did with the horse was not a punishment.

    Okay, end rant :]
         
        04-20-2009, 12:09 PM
      #23
    Foal
    Smile

    I have a pony with the same problem. This is what my trainer told me.....Load her and give her her daily feed in the trailer, to never ever get scared or nervos. And you said that he will load on his own free will right? So you can drape the lead rope on his neck and stand on the side and flap your arm to herd him in. If you are in pony club it is in the D-Manuel.

    Hope this works,
    Midnightbright
         
        04-20-2009, 01:05 PM
      #24
    Foal
    No I have never seen a horse colic due to dehydration... I would never let it go that far.. and I never got the phone or Tv taken away because I never used them anyways. I was always outside working or doing something with my animals, so dinner was more effective. Like I said, everyone has their own way of training animals, mine if different and it works for me. My horses respect me and I them, but they know that I am alpha. I am my horses best friends, but I am also her master and she knows that. Humans def. Have a more capable thought process but horses are very intelligent as well. They know when they have done something bad. But im not going to take away her food and water just because she didn't make a perfect turn. I use it as a teaching method. Not as a punishment.
         
        04-20-2009, 01:44 PM
      #25
    Weanling
    Whatever. All I know is that when you kill or injure one of your horses you're going to feel like crap and it will absolutely be your fault.
         
        04-20-2009, 11:56 PM
      #26
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by xeventer17    
    whatever. All I know is that when you kill or injure one of your horses you're going to feel like crap and it will absolutely be your fault.
    I have had many animals in my life and not one of them has been hurt. That was a horrible thing to say and I don't appreciate it. I am just trying to defend myself. I never once tried to push any teaching method of mine onto you. Just give ideas. If ppl don't like them then they don't have to use them. But just because I do things differently than you doesn't give you the right to be a bitch to me. I have had many many animals, growing up on a ranches (my family owns three) I kinda know how to take care of animals. I would never want to hurt one of them. I know where to draw the line. I am not a monster and I know what I am doing.
         
        04-21-2009, 12:58 AM
      #27
    Weanling
    Sorry. You're right, that comment was kinda out of line. Didn't have the best day and was in a really poor mood when I wrote that. I apologize, I just so often see people that have no idea what they're doing try to mimic "the cowboys" (my first horse was a rescue horse that had been subjected to such a situation) that I get touchy about those kinds of things. But you do seem like you know what you're doing and I trust that you're responsible in your methods.
         
        04-21-2009, 10:02 PM
      #28
    Foal
    Thank you for apoligizing.. and I am sorry if I offended you also... I had a horse since before I could walk, but my first actual rodeo horse was a rescue as well.. he was an Arabian and he had a really bad case of colic... wouldn't eat or drink and had blackouts all the time.. it took us five months before I could ride him... But when I could he took me to state twice... We won fifth and first... I loved him so much... I know my techniques seem harsh.. but growing up the way I did, those are the techniques I learned... I respect anyone who takes the time to actually work with thier horses and try to better them... whatever technique it may be... well execpt if they are beating or abusing them in a horrific way... I hope you had a better day today...
         
        04-22-2009, 02:22 PM
      #29
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Countrygal892000    
    If you have something that works though, that is all that matters.
    No, it's not what matters..... what matters is the horse's welfare, withholding the basics is just plain wrong. It may be your Grandfathers way but horse training has come along way in the last 50 years. Do you really think that a horse has the capabilities to know that not being feed or watered is a training method? If you have respect for people that actually take the time needed to work with their horse's to achieve the same results without withholding food, why don't you give it a try.

    I'm not even going to get into the logic behind leaving a horse in a trailer for a day and half without food and water......... I'm sorry but you are really getting my hackles up..... time for me to go.....................
         
        04-22-2009, 07:30 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    Hopefully each generation finds ways to improve. I agree with G and K's mom that maybe you should look at different methods. Take all the good your grandfather taught you and keep learning. I bet you could become a super horsewoman that way. (Curious what a kid could possible do that was naughty enough to be sent to bed without supper. )
         

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