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        01-02-2010, 01:07 AM
      #11
    Trained
    ^ Exactly. Having a horse that is light, and is able to move every part of the body in response to a cue from the rider, is the key to EVERYTHING you will ever want to do with that horse. I just can't fathom people who don't see the need for this foundation work.
         
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        01-02-2010, 10:49 AM
      #12
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    ^ Exactly. Having a horse that is light, and is able to move every part of the body in response to a cue from the rider, is the key to EVERYTHING you will ever want to do with that horse. I just can't fathom people who don't see the need for this foundation work.
    This is why I have a problem with people and trainers who seem to think htey can get all the other stuff in the first month.
         
        01-02-2010, 04:28 PM
      #13
    Trained
    To the detriment of the important things. I'm lucky in that I have never had to send a horse to a trainer - I do the lot myself so know exactly what is lacking and build that foundation slowly, correctly in my own time. I would be SO picky about choosing a trainer if I had to.
         
        01-02-2010, 04:36 PM
      #14
    Trained
    That is why you MUST talk to your trainer. IT is not the trainer most of the time. They are only doing what the owner expects and wants. Most owners what fast results. Just look at the replies not only here in this thread but start one about what to expect at 30-60 days of training. Look at what people expect. It is not realistic but yet they want it and so the trainers try and give it to them. Them some trainers find it a big badge that they can train a horse in 90 days start to finish. I call B/S myself. But yet there are those who buy it and so the trainer makes money. Everyone seems to want something for nothing. No one wants to pay for a good horse no one wants to take the time and pay for good training they want the cheapest and fastest results possible.
         
        01-02-2010, 05:51 PM
      #15
    Trained
    ^ definitely true. It's an interesing discussion - I wonder if often those poeple who want the fast results are also those who don't know or care about the foundation work. I would guess that most people who understand the foundation work and it's necessity are the same ones who understand that no horse can be pigeonholed into a 30/60/90 day training timeslot. I would guess that they are the same ones who would talk with the trainer and be as hands on as possible.
         
        01-02-2010, 07:25 PM
      #16
    Trained
    NO I think the ones who are wanting fast results are the same people who think anything over $1K is too much for a horse. They are the ones who want to breed b/c they can. They are the ones who do not do what is needed b/c they do not see the value in what is needed. They want it all in those 30/60 days b/c they do not want to spend the money. It is never their fault it is always the trainers fault the horses fault and so on.
         
        01-02-2010, 09:22 PM
      #17
    Foal
    i have been looking at sending a horse to a trainer

    I have talked to several "trainers" and I now know that just cause they have a piece of paper that says they are "trainers" does not mean they are lol. I have taken two months to decide on three different trainers and I went to their place watched them ride talked to them told them what I hoped to get out of the training and what their thoughts and feelings were on the horse I question as well as my daughter who would be taking lessons with them. I even hauled my horse to their barn for "test rides" to see how my horse responded to them. For me its not about how much it will cost its about getting him to the point I want and I feel that more people should take that into consideration. The key is to talk to the trainer set goals that are within reason and work for that. I for one would rather train a horse that I already have then breed and wait and sell and breed and wait ect ect
         
        01-05-2010, 11:31 AM
      #18
    Foal
    This is a really interesting topic for me. Prior to 9 years ago, I had no interest in horses. My daughter was somehow born with the horse bug, no one else in our family prior to her had anything to do with them. So in the last 9 years, I've learned much more about horses than I ever intended to. Just by our location and the type of training that occurs mostly in this area, she has mostly trained with Paint and Quarter Horse centric trainers in Stock Horse type competitions.

    During that time, she has trained under six different trainers for periods of time, took one-off lessons from many other trainers and has attended more clinics than I can remember. During that time she trained and competed in Halter, English, Western, Ranch Versatility, Team Sorting, Barrel Racing events and then into Reining working her way up to the NRHA level.

    Throughout this process I've talked to a lot trainers and have heard so many different things from them. And so many of their methods were in direct conflict with each other. For example, I've taken my daughter to NRHA level trainers who say that she is as good of a rider as any of the Non-Pro competitors that train with them. On the other hand, I've taken my daughter to trainers that sound a lot like Flitterbug to hear them say she is a terrible rider and needs to start over in the round pen for a year or so.

    I've found over time that trainers that actively show seem to have a consistent training program that falls into the discipline and train towards that goal. Fortunately that's where my daughter's interest lies, so we stick to those trainers. But I always wondered, without that standard that is set through judging/competition, how do others that do not compete in any discipline actually know if their horse/rider have reached a level of competency?
         
        01-05-2010, 12:01 PM
      #19
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Jarrett    
    But I always wondered, without that standard that is set through judging/competition, how do others that do not compete in any discipline actually know if their horse/rider have reached a level of competency?

    You do not know that is why when I go looking for a new trainer I ALWAYS pull their NRHA records. I want to see how much they have earned in what category and on what horses. Are they the owners of the horses or are they clients horses. Did they train them from day one or did they get the horse from anouther trainer and then showed it and that is how they earned the money. There is a lot of info to be gained from a riders earning report.
         
        01-06-2010, 10:00 AM
      #20
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    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    You do not know that is why when I go looking for a new trainer I ALWAYS pull their NRHA records. I want to see how much they have earned in what category and on what horses. Are they the owners of the horses or are they clients horses. Did they train them from day one or did they get the horse from anouther trainer and then showed it and that is how they earned the money. There is a lot of info to be gained from a riders earning report.
    I don't think earns means everything. A top earner around here also boards horses. One of my close friends boards there and talks about some of the methods used and I wouldn't allow him to touch my horse. Abuse is not training. Sure he gets results but at what cost to the horse?
    I can be rough at times but the horses don't shake when I come near.
         

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