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    12-23-2012, 11:29 AM
Trainer letting horse buck????

So, I've trained my horse from the ground up and he is amazing... Very light in the mouth, rides in a hackamore, not spooky, well mannered and sensitive. With that being said... I sent him to a trainer to do some light finishing touches on him, thing I was getting to frustrated to do because of my lack of patience... Well. I went to go visit him after he'd been there almost 3 weeks, and she had him in the round pen and asked him to canter, he started bucking like crazy for at least 5 minutes straight. Would not stop. And she just let it happen. Just stood there waiting for him to get it out of his system! This is something he NEVER did before. He knows that when I am in his area, those feet don't come off the ground. Should I pull him out and bring him home??? I'm appalled she let him act this way with her in the pen with him, when I work with him and he brings those feet off the ground, I crack him on the butt with the whip! And he stops. That is a dangerous behavior, and can kill me or my children when he gets home!!!
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    12-23-2012, 11:35 AM
Possibly a pain problem if he's never done it have him checked out.
If no pain then definitely get him home
    12-23-2012, 12:19 PM
I would also first look into pain or poor tack fit.

That said, I wouldn't bash the trainer, as I feel it's a difference in opinion and neither of you are wrong. I let my horses buck, whether riding or lunging. They are never to point their butt at me, and they know this, but if they want to buck a bit on the lunge line, I don't care. If they start bucking under saddle, I've found it easier in most situations to ride the buck out during transitions and then ask again. Not a "give them their head" ride it out, but keeping the head up, my leg on, and send them through the transition. When they're quite finished, I transition down and ask again. It's always broken the habit with every horse I've done it on.

Doesn't make it the right way, just a different way. I would explain to the trainer that you don't want them to allow the behavior and go from there. The trainer may be more than willing to alter their methods to suit you. I feel it will do you and your horse better than just yanking him out. Just my $.02.
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    12-23-2012, 12:27 PM
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Hum, maybe I am wrong but I let my horses get their sillies out when we first start out in the round pen. I figure they need to stretch out. But they do not go on and on nor do I feel they are disrespecting or threatening me in any way. If I did I would put a stop to it right then. I guess it depends on the vibe you get when they are doing it. I have had a friends horse in the round pen before and it was definitely a disrespect thing when she did it and I kicked her ass in gear! I was like oh hell no!
    12-23-2012, 12:31 PM
I see this as more a trainers problem rather than the horse. Horses that are allowed to buck, whether on a lunge line, saddling or riding will take advantage of the entire situation. If he bucks in the round pen, and gets away with it, whos to say that the next time you put him up to some challenge under saddle he will try and buck and if he bucks you off, then the horse wins and he sees bucking as a way out of everything. I say get him home as soon as possible, or you could have a real problem on your hands.
    12-23-2012, 12:33 PM
I to think it may be a pain issue. If not pain pulling your horse from the trainer is your decision. I allow my horses to buck in the round pen or on the lunge line as long as it is not disrespectful. They are not allowed to do it while I am on them. If it is disrespectful I squash that fast. But I think that they should be allowed to get that extra energy out and if they chose to do it by doing it non-threateningly in the round pen all the better.
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    12-23-2012, 01:09 PM
Green Broke
Depends why he was bucking. Did you talk to the trainer about it? Get her opinion and understand why she was allowing this?
When I have a horse on the line and they start to buck I don't get after them in a snappy, smack on the arse way, but I continue to push them with steady, rhythmic pressure until they move into a stride, then I stop and let them be.
Was she following him around or putting any kind of pressure on him? Or was she just standing their gawking at him?
If she was following/applying pressure then I would not critisize this. You want the horse to believe that everything he does is by your command. If he starts to buck you pressure him on faster so that he thinks you are the cause of it. Or else he stops and starts running. Then when he does stop, you stop and soon he will learn not to do it. Or, in some instances, if you stop pressuring, he will stop bucking.
All depends on the horse and the situation.
This one is really hard to judge since we were not there to witness it firsthand.
    12-23-2012, 01:21 PM
5 minutes is a long time for a horse to buck.
    12-23-2012, 01:37 PM
Green Broke
Sounds like he's in great shape !
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    12-23-2012, 01:41 PM
Originally Posted by Wanstrom Horses    
I see this as more a trainers problem rather than the horse. Horses that are allowed to buck, whether on a lunge line, saddling or riding will take advantage of the entire situation. If he bucks in the round pen, and gets away with it, whos to say that the next time you put him up to some challenge under saddle he will try and buck and if he bucks you off, then the horse wins and he sees bucking as a way out of everything. I say get him home as soon as possible, or you could have a real problem on your hands.
I disagree. The horse only wins if you stop fighting. And then that's your fault.

In my experience, horses buck for three, and pretty much only three, reasons. One, they are in pain. Almost always, horses buck when asked to canter and not often at any other time. Cantering can cause even more pain from the saddle, hurt an already sore back, etc etc. They are saying "it hurts."

The second reason I see horses buck is because they are stiff and picking up the canter is just hard. In this situation, you can stop the buck but you won't fix the problem. The problem is lack of flexibility and strength. I find this problem is almost always fixed in trot work, transitions, and circles or loops.

The third reason is the horse just plum feels good when playing in the pasture.

So unless you are actively not addressing the buck, it isn't common for a horse to buck to get out of work. Stopping the buck at the time is a matter of preference, but it doesn't matter if you do or don't if you aren't going to find and fix the root of the problem. The buck is always an expression of something. I have met many horses, ridden a ton, and haven't found many horses that buck just to be naughty. It will only become a problem if the horse is stiff, owner just shuts the buck down, the stiffness never goes away, and the horse gets more stiff or starts to hurt. And once the horse reaches a certain level of pain and discomfort, muscle memory takes over and they assume since they have always hurt when asked to canter, they will still hurt even after it's fixed, and then you have a chronic bucket who needs to be re-taught.
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