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    06-18-2012, 07:44 PM
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Foal
Trainer and Rider problems

Ok so i'm in a rough spot and would like to get your opinion. So:

I've been riding for 6 years. For the passed 2 1/2 years all i've ridden is green horses. I've finished with my last green horse because I outgrew him. (though I would stop growing, but apparently I was going to sprout 5 inches.)

So i'm looking at new horses. I switched barns though because my trainer was so mean my parents couldn't take it. So i've lessoned twice with this new trainer, and apparently, because I had one bad lesson, where my late gelded horse was acting up and continuously rearing, bucking or bolting. I'm not allowed to get a OTTB, who is honestly less green then any horse i've ridden in these passed 2 years. All because my horse was freaking out in a storm.

So apparently, i'm not passed the basics because we rode in a severe storm with hail, tornado watches and it flooded the arena while I was riding in it. I didn't fall off, I did get a little bit nervous, but every single time he acted up I knew exactly how to handle it and fixed it as fast as I could.

So after the lesson my trainer pulls me aside and says, "I have a great 21 year old horse that can teach you the basics."

I know the basics, I trained with olympic trainers for 5 years, i'm pretty sure I know the basics! (sorry that was a bit of a rant)

And I don't know what to do. My parents said they don't know what to do either but will go with whatever choice me and my trainer make, but they also said if I really wanted to I could choose on my own, what matters is I make the right choice for me.

So I really don't know who's right. But I will give you just a bit more background info on me.

In 2 1/2 years i've worked with 4 "green" horses.

1. A chestnut QH filly, who was 5 years old and never seen a saddle. I broke her in 60 days and we did our first show and got 2 and 3 place out of 16 horses. I sold her for $8,000 to a lesson program because she was very quiet, and loved kids.

2. A bay thoroughbred gelding, who was 4 and only race track broke. I worked with him for a little while, probably like 4 months. Sold him for $9000 to a show home.

3. A grullo wild caught mustang who I halter broke then saddle broke. Worked with her for 1 year and sold her for $5,000 to a nice family.

4. My black paint Gelding, who was only gelded as a 10 year old and has a few babies. He is 13 now. When I got him, I got him from the kill pen, don't know how he ended up there but he was super sweet and I wanted him. He was barely saddle broke, now he goes W/T/C and jumps 2'6", and shows.

So idk what my trainer is getting on about. My horse has an attitude. And I know everyone always says it's not just the horses fault but I really don't know what I could have done wrong. We had a lesson, it was thunderstorming and my trainer wouldn't let me get off.

The thoroughbred i'm looking at is 4 years old, not very green at all. Goes W/T/C knows his changes and jumps a little. The only thing green about him is he can get a bit quick, like every other OTTB, and he needs to finish his jumping training.

The 21 year old, is well, a 21 year old. Has arthritis and can't jump, and I really don't want an old trail horse.

So idk what to do. Who do you think is right?
     
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    06-18-2012, 08:20 PM
  #2
Green Broke
Why don't you just try the older horse? Who cares if he is older and more broke. That way the trainer can evaluate you in a controlled situation. If he/she feels you are more experienced then they will move you up to a more suitable horse if available. Just because the horse is older doesn't mean he can't teach you anything.

Don't get so stuck on the horses you rode in the past, focus on what you can learn now.
     
    06-18-2012, 08:21 PM
  #3
Foal
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    06-18-2012, 08:25 PM
  #4
Foal
True but she's saying she wants me to buy him. And she's seen me at my last show. She wanted me at the barn and invited us to her private barn, after she saw me and that horse and I had a very good lesson also.
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    06-18-2012, 08:32 PM
  #5
Yearling
Honestly, I'm questioning the trainer. She is practically forcing you to buy this horse, not allowing you to get the horse you want with your money, and forced you to ride through an extremely dangerous situation, which if you would have been struck by lightning, killed in. So honestly, I'd boot her now. She obvoiusly has no respect for you, and sees you as a pet. Ditch her.
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    06-18-2012, 08:33 PM
  #6
Green Broke
Nothing wrong with riding him as a lesson horse but don't let a trainer push you into buying a horse you don't "love".

Basically what I am trying to say is, don't discount him because he is older...he may be a great horse and a good fit.
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    06-18-2012, 08:59 PM
  #7
Green Broke
Why is that the only options? Keep looking for something you both can agree on.
     
    06-18-2012, 09:03 PM
  #8
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Fourpaws    
Ok so i'm in a rough spot and would like to get your opinion. So:

I've been riding for 6 years. For the passed 2 1/2 years all i've ridden is green horses. I've finished with my last green horse because I outgrew him. (though I would stop growing, but apparently I was going to sprout 5 inches.)

So i'm looking at new horses. I switched barns though because my trainer was so mean my parents couldn't take it. So i've lessoned twice with this new trainer, and apparently, because I had one bad lesson, where my late gelded horse was acting up and continuously rearing, bucking or bolting. I'm not allowed to get a OTTB, who is honestly less green then any horse i've ridden in these passed 2 years. All because my horse was freaking out in a storm.

So apparently, i'm not passed the basics because we rode in a severe storm with hail, tornado watches and it flooded the arena while I was riding in it. I didn't fall off, I did get a little bit nervous, but every single time he acted up I knew exactly how to handle it and fixed it as fast as I could.

So after the lesson my trainer pulls me aside and says, "I have a great 21 year old horse that can teach you the basics."

I know the basics, I trained with olympic trainers for 5 years, i'm pretty sure I know the basics! (sorry that was a bit of a rant)

And I don't know what to do. My parents said they don't know what to do either but will go with whatever choice me and my trainer make, but they also said if I really wanted to I could choose on my own, what matters is I make the right choice for me.

So I really don't know who's right. But I will give you just a bit more background info on me.

In 2 1/2 years i've worked with 4 "green" horses.

1. A chestnut QH filly, who was 5 years old and never seen a saddle. I broke her in 60 days and we did our first show and got 2 and 3 place out of 16 horses. I sold her for $8,000 to a lesson program because she was very quiet, and loved kids.

2. A bay thoroughbred gelding, who was 4 and only race track broke. I worked with him for a little while, probably like 4 months. Sold him for $9000 to a show home.

3. A grullo wild caught mustang who I halter broke then saddle broke. Worked with her for 1 year and sold her for $5,000 to a nice family.

4. My black paint Gelding, who was only gelded as a 10 year old and has a few babies. He is 13 now. When I got him, I got him from the kill pen, don't know how he ended up there but he was super sweet and I wanted him. He was barely saddle broke, now he goes W/T/C and jumps 2'6", and shows.

So idk what my trainer is getting on about. My horse has an attitude. And I know everyone always says it's not just the horses fault but I really don't know what I could have done wrong. We had a lesson, it was thunderstorming and my trainer wouldn't let me get off.

The thoroughbred i'm looking at is 4 years old, not very green at all. Goes W/T/C knows his changes and jumps a little. The only thing green about him is he can get a bit quick, like every other OTTB, and he needs to finish his jumping training.

The 21 year old, is well, a 21 year old. Has arthritis and can't jump, and I really don't want an old trail horse.

So idk what to do. Who do you think is right?
First Horse
This post of yours gives you totally different credentials. So I am doubting your actual experience and you should listen to your trainer.
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    06-18-2012, 09:04 PM
  #9
Green Broke
I'm confused, you've only been riding for 6 years?

And 5 of those years were with "olympic trainers", in the plural.

For the PAST, (not passed) 2 1/2 years all you have ridden is green horses? Was this with the "olympic trainers"?

I would wonder why, if you are so experienced, your trainer feels you need to learn the basics? Could it be that you aren't as good a rider as you think you are? Is this one of the "olympic trainers" that is telling you this?

Honestly, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I can't see why anyone would be told they need a 21 year old horse to learn the basics from, unless they were needing to learn the basics.

And in today's market, even within the past 2 1/2 years, the prices seem off a tad too.

Not to mention, if you are having to have your parents involved, you must not be very old, and the whole thread is a bit iffy to me.


ETA: Just found the thread you did on being only 14 last fall, so are you trying to convince us, or yourself that you have broken and sold horses for several thousands of dollars in this market, and you weren't 13 at the time, and last fall, you said you'd been riding 4 years, not to mention the "olympic trainers"?

Please.

This is a friendly heads up. Just because people are on a forum, and you think they will not ever meet you, or run across you somewhere? You would be wrong. The horse world is a very small place, and just because, for instance, I work with WP horses, I know many people of all sorts, who work with all breeds of horses, as I am sure many of the members on here also do. And not backyard people either, but people who DO compete and train with the best of each discipline, as well as some who DO train with "olympic trainers" in real life.

I'm also a member of another forum, where we had a 13 year old girl do a thread one night on how sick her horse was, that it was dying, there was no vet within 100 miles, and that her parents wouldn't help the horse, or call for help.

By early AM hours? Members of that forum had not only contacted the former breeder, former owner, they had also managed to get the law involved for animal investigation into possible cruelty, and several of those members were in other countries too. Great wakeup call for her parents as to what their child was up to.
     
    06-18-2012, 09:08 PM
  #10
Foal
Don't let the trainer push you into a decision you aren't happy with. If you and your trainer don't agree on either of these horses then keep looking. Try to find something you all agree on.

It sounds to me that your trainer thinks you don't know as much as you think you do. If you only ride horses that need training and experience then you will be a lot less able to learn yourself-you can't focus on yourself if you are focused on the horse you're training.
     

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