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post #11 of 26 Old 11-18-2009, 10:18 PM
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Horse CAN hurt itself while pulling/fighting. Tieing to the solid post and let it fight in fact may end up with injured horse or may be even dead. They also can pull neck, back, etc. Unfortunately I did have this experience trying to following some "trainers" advice. She kept fighting no matter what and did NOT give up. End result - month off for the horse plus vet bill (plus lots of my nerves and time to do the massage, put medications and so on twice/day for whole month). Do I wanna try it again - definitely not.

Frankly if he's SO afraid of being tied I'd get tie ring so he could pull thru the rope and just approach it quietly and slowly. Also if you didn't like a trainer, well, why not to try someone else? In the end you are the one paying.
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post #12 of 26 Old 11-18-2009, 10:31 PM
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I am a new member to Horse Forum and am hoping to get some advice from those of you more experienced than me. I am in the process of finding a trainer to help me with some issues I'm having with a new horse of mine, the most significant being not standing still while tied and pulling back. Anyway, I had a trainer come out to do her evaluation and let her know about the issues I was having. She proceeded to solid tie her to the hitching post and tried to saddle her, within just a short amount of time my horse was violently pulling back, almost overturning herself, so much so that she melted part of the leadrope due to the friction. I was extremely frightened that she was going to injure herself. The trainer assured me that we couldn't let her get away with it and she needs to learn that she can't pull back... I agree that she needs to learn but is this the right way to go about doing this? Should I keep looking for a different trainer? Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

Laura

YES. Look for a REAL trainer, not some yahoo who will just hurt your horse like that one.

People like that "trainer" who still think of the horse as some dumb animal that needs to be forced into submission....that type of thinking is OVER.

Look for a trainer that is PROGRESSIVE in training...meaning, they don't adhere to the ancient "force em!" mentality. But rather, one who accepts that the horse is an intelligent animal that can be taught how to accept something like being tied, without inflicting pain.

Does that mean that your horse won't freak out when being trained? No. I've trained several horses who had spent years pulling back and breaking things....and they would freak out during training (meaning, they would pull back)..BUT BUT BUT.....

I used a BLOCKER TIE RING. And thus, NO HORSE WAS EVER HURT and they only pulled back a handful of times....meaning, they pulled the 22 ft line long through the ring, without any inflicted pain to their bodies (compared to being tied hard)......until they stopped pulling back altogether (didn't take long for them to figure it out).

They learned fairly quickly (within a week's time, 1 hour each day) not to pull back at all. They learned that when they set back and stepped back....nothing broke, nothing hurt....and so, they started THINKING their way through.

I sacked em out while they were "tied" to the Blocker Tie Ring......meaning, the 22 ft lead line was put through the ring, so the horse could pull it through easily....the horse soon learns...."I'm not trapped! So, I have nothing to worry about. I don't need to freak out."

And the horse was then able to be tied normally after the training, and the horse remembered the lesson and didn't pull back anymore.

Horses are very smart, if we give them time to think instead of react. If we give them the opportunity to think things over....they'll choose the peaceful solution.

If we give them the chance.

That numbskull of a "trainer" didn't give your horse the chance. Didn't allow any thinking...only reacting. Tying up a PREY animal and forcing it to submit....is a great way to end up having to get a chiropractor for the horse after all of that.

My suggestions:

1) get a chiropractor for your horse. Ten to one, there's pain now because of all of the pull backs

2) get a blocker tie ring --> http://horseloversoutlet.com/blocker_tie_rings.html

3) get a 22 ft line

4) get a trainer to train your horse without force or pain

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I have blockers in my stalls but to tell you the truth I don't really like them... horses that didn't have problems "pulling back" now pull back because of them. It takes a little training to use them but in then end a smart horse is going to get loose if left there for longer periods of time.

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post #14 of 26 Old 11-19-2009, 07:51 AM
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I have blockers in my stalls but to tell you the truth I don't really like them... horses that didn't have problems "pulling back" now pull back because of them. It takes a little training to use them but in then end a smart horse is going to get loose if left there for longer periods of time.
I agree. It actually depends a lot on horse. Those tie rings are great for easy-to-panic horses. They are not so great for smart horses. My qh after 2nd time realized that she can pull the rope thru and just start grazing (or do whatever she wants). So she started to do it intentionally, now I just hard tie her to the ring.
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echoing calamity jane, everything she says is excellent advice.; don't spend your money on someone who sounds like she will proabably create more problems than she cures. Find someone who will show you ways to deal with the issues that are going to occur with any new horse/ new owner. There are easy effective ways to work WITH your horse, and not turn it into a battle. And always go with your instincts; as you go on with your horse, you are going to know it better than the trainer, so find one that will work with you and the horse together, don't send send the horse away. Good trainer is going to listen to your opinions and and work at a speed that suits you and your horse, as long as each session ends on a good note, it doesnt matter how fast the problem is cured; it will be a positive learning curve all the way.
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post #16 of 26 Old 11-19-2009, 11:57 AM
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Horse CAN hurt itself while pulling/fighting. Tieing to the solid post and let it fight in fact may end up with injured horse or may be even dead. They also can pull neck, back, etc. Unfortunately I did have this experience trying to following some "trainers" advice. She kept fighting no matter what and did NOT give up. End result - month off for the horse plus vet bill (plus lots of my nerves and time to do the massage, put medications and so on twice/day for whole month). Do I wanna try it again - definitely not.

Frankly if he's SO afraid of being tied I'd get tie ring so he could pull thru the rope and just approach it quietly and slowly. Also if you didn't like a trainer, well, why not to try someone else? In the end you are the one paying.
Exactly.

The OP asked this person to come in and evaluate the horse. Not be set up for a vet bill.
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post #17 of 26 Old 11-19-2009, 01:40 PM
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I have blockers in my stalls but to tell you the truth I don't really like them... horses that didn't have problems "pulling back" now pull back because of them. It takes a little training to use them but in then end a smart horse is going to get loose if left there for longer periods of time.
Why don't you just tie them to the ring? I don't think you're using them right if you are causing horses that were good to tie to pull back. If they are just wandering off you can wrap it raound the tongue on the ring again and they probably won't pull it through any more.

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when im training a hores to tie,mainly foals I put the rope through an eye secured to a wall one end of the rope has a small weight on I clip the other end to his headcollar tie hay hear the eye that way as he relaxes and walks in the weight pulls the slack and theres no tangling
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Thanks so much again everyone for the great insights and advice, I really do appreciate it and I'll be sure to let you know how things go. I'm so glad I found HorseForum!
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Why don't you just tie them to the ring? I don't think you're using them right if you are causing horses that were good to tie to pull back. If they are just wandering off you can wrap it raound the tongue on the ring again and they probably won't pull it through any more.
I do have to double loop to tie them so it still has a little give... but to me it kind of defeats the purpose. I also don't like them because they arn't as effective with certain lead ropes.

What I meant about creating horses that pull back is now they have to "test" every time they tie. They don't freak out an flip (thank god).

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