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    12-29-2013, 10:39 AM
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Weanling
Trainer Sues AQHA over abusive practices in the warm up ring

Please forgive my ignorance, I'm still relatively new to breed shows. My 11 year old daughter is the rider and we only show at local youth shows (although our main circuit is AQHA sanctioned).

I was reading a story earlier this month about a trainer who is suing AQHA. "Buck contends in his complaint that he is “prohibited from the acquisition of clients for the schooling of Quarter Horses for competitions held under the auspice of the AQHA because the Plaintiff will not use the abusive techniques required, condoned and sanctioned by AQHA in the schooling of horses for competition."

What I cannot figure out is what the actual abusive practices are. Is anyone familiar with this case? I know that there are bad trainers out there that abuse horses, but maybe I've been lucky and in the two years we've shown AQHA I have not been exposed to this.

From reading the legal filing...he objects to being forced to use a bit? And perhaps something about the gaits a horse is displaying that are placed? Am I even close?

Hopefully this link to the legal filing works:
Https://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/(X(1)S(tlmnjl0nok3u51ltqihd10qp))/Default.aspx?navigationid=761&AspxAutoDetectCookie Support=1

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    12-29-2013, 10:51 AM
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Green Broke
The guy is a wing nut and it isn't the first time he has sued. He thinks that bits are abusive and managed to con a guy in supporting his venture which just happens to a knock off of the Dr. Cook bit less bridle.
I have a feeling that all these lawsuits are just to support himself and a shameless act to promote his bit less bridle ( the Spirit Bridle) I will see if I can find his website and post a link...

Http://www.hartetoharte.org/Bridle-Sales.html


ETA. And how this guy decided that he would lose $1,500,00 in potential earnings in the AQHA is proof enough for me that he's a bona fide wing nut... Lol
     
    12-29-2013, 11:00 AM
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Weanling
Thanks! I wondered if that was the case. I'm just surprised that some of the online publications I like to read (like go horse show) bothered to publish it.

No wonder I couldn't find much. I even tried going to the you tube videos referenced in the filing, but they wouldn't work for me.
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    12-29-2013, 11:18 AM
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Green Broke
I think they published because they think the guy is a joke and not worried about it. He tried to do the same thing with Dressage and didn't get anywhere with it, so I guess it's the AQHA's turn?
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    12-29-2013, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HorseMom1025    
I know that there are bad trainers out there that abuse horses, but maybe I've been lucky and in the two years we've shown AQHA I have not been exposed to this.
I can't comment on this individual case but in regards to abuse in the warm up ring at shows, it happens every day at every level. Step back and observe. Why does the horse move the way it does, why does it hold it's head that way, what's will all the gadgets on the horse, why is the trainer riding like that, why does the trainer....? You see just as much with youth and amateurs than the pros.
     
    12-29-2013, 01:14 PM
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Weanling
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Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons    
I can't comment on this individual case but in regards to abuse in the warm up ring at shows, it happens every day at every level. Step back and observe. Why does the horse move the way it does, why does it hold it's head that way, what's will all the gadgets on the horse, why is the trainer riding like that, why does the trainer....? You see just as much with youth and amateurs than the pros.
If you look at it that way, then all training is abuse.

When my daughter uses the half-halt to check her horse's speed, is that abuse? When she gently taps with a dull spur to get her horse to side pass, is that abuse? I don't think so. She's using aids to direct the horse. We lunge our horse at shows...not to wear her out, but for a bit of exercise (she's not used to spending all day in a stall) and to help get her mentally focused on her job that day. As soon as I see her focused on me and responding to cues from the ground, we know she is ready to focus in the show ring. Are we abusing her with this ground work? I just don't think so.

We love our horse and try very hard to give her the best possible care, but she is a 1,000 lb animal that is asked to listen to and obey a 70 lb child. I have to ensure that horse has the right mindset and training to keep my child safe.

I've spent a lot of time at shows over the past two years and love to people/horse watch. Yes, I've seen things I don't like (I really hate that lame looking gait that many Western Pleasure horses are taught, but that's just my opinion. It seems to please judges.). Yes, I've seen trainers and parents lose their tempers at both horses and kids. But to call everything done in the warm up pen "abuse" seems excessive.
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    12-29-2013, 02:15 PM
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There is abuse that go's on at every breed show (as in trainers do things that are against the rules) and it is positively ignored on a fairly regular basis.

I don't know this guy or anything about him but there is some truth in what he says.
     
    12-29-2013, 02:16 PM
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I'm not calling everything done in the warm up arena abuse. I'm saying it happens everywhere at all levels of competition and it isn't just blatant abuse.
     
    12-29-2013, 02:22 PM
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gadgets on the horse
AQHA's new tack rules
http://www.horsechannel.com/horse-ne...are-rules.aspx
     
    12-29-2013, 03:39 PM
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Weanling
Oh Vair Oh, thanks!

I try to read the AQHA rule changes when they are published. So far we've been fine. They changed the helmet rule this year and luckily our helmet is acceptable.

I agree that we should all watch for abuse and try to stop it, but I think we sometimes people take the definition too far. Isn't it common on this forum to say, "any tool can be abusive in the wrong hands". Of course, it's easier to ban the tool than to try to define how it can be used.
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