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    View Poll Results: Which trainer do you use?
    Lynn Palm 0 0%
    John Lyons 1 4.35%
    Pat Parelli 4 17.39%
    Clinton Anderson 5 21.74%
    Other 13 56.52%
    Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

     
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        05-23-2008, 11:08 AM
      #21
    Super Moderator
    I usually try not to reply to these types of posts because I really am not a fan of these "store bought" trainers. I do believe, as in with religion and politics, every person has the right to there specific ideas.

    I like the old horseman that have learned by trial and error and I like real trainers that can actually see you the rider and your horse. I think it's ok that other people find things that they like, and I think it's great that they get excited and want to share but I think that's where it should stop, it shouldnt be forced on people you know? Anyway... my two cents.....
         
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        05-23-2008, 11:09 AM
      #22
    Showing
    I think Parelli went too far with the Horsenalities thing. Remember, I was interested in starting Parelli at one point! But it's exploded into something that I just can't understand, and can't figure out... and if some people do, that's great, have at 'er.
    Having said that, I will just keep out of the threads that obviously don't go with my opinons.
         
        05-23-2008, 11:54 PM
      #23
    Foal
    I didn't mean to start a fight on here, so sorry if I offended anyone.
    JDI I would love to have a real trainer, however I live in a sea of western, climb aboard however you can get up there, and kick. I don't want to offend anyone by posting this either. However, I would like a slightly more refined, proper, english environment to ride in.
    So, that was when I started looking into dvds! Lol.
    Thanks anyhow, just please don't fight! I know I was kinda asking for it though...lol.
    Rainey_Days3
         
        05-24-2008, 10:05 AM
      #24
    Weanling
    Can I pose another question??

    Have any of you actually had a training session with any of those "trainers"?? Like a one-to-one??

    To be trained by somebody you need to have them there telling you where you are going wrong and how you can sort the problems out! Coaches work with you and your horse to get the best out of your partnership and although I am trully amazed by the NH ways I am not one to jump on the band wagon.

    I prefer my local coaches and go to them when I need them, not all the time. If im struggling with my dressage ill go to molly peterson, if im struggling with my showjumping then ill go to david austin. But I don't chuck my money at them every week. Its if and when im struggling with something....i simply can't afford to do it any other way, and it works for me so....?

    Elz x
         
        05-24-2008, 04:25 PM
      #25
    Foal
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    I prefer my local coaches and go to them when I need them, not all the time.
    It's the same with me. I ride one-to-one with a coach once a week and once in a group of four. Rest of the week I ride on my own.
    It's hard to find a good coach in my area :( Before I found my present coach I'd been riding on my own but I came to the point where my knowledge was not enough to teach my horse new movements.

    BTW, I admire NH but it's still something new in Poland and training sessions are too expensive.
         
        05-24-2008, 07:55 PM
      #26
    Started
    I have not had one-on-one sessions with Pat or Linda themselves but I have had one-on-one time with one of their top Instructors. She is a 5 star, the highest you can go in the Parelli program, and she is amazing. She rode my horse, told me what she was thinking, then coached me while I worked through some things. It was great. I would let her ride my horses any day.

    One of the main reasons Parelli doesn't hand feed you their information, besides Level 1, which they do hand feed you that, is because they want their students to become independent learners so we don't have to rely on others to make progress. Do I like this at times? No, but it's making me think by myself and for myself and making me figure things out on my own. I think this makes you a better student in the long run. Someone isn't always there holding my hand, this makes it harder on the student (one reason why I think some people don't like the program) but IMO it makes you a better horse person.
         
        05-25-2008, 09:24 PM
      #27
    Super Moderator
    ..... better horse person than.....????????
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    I think this makes you a better student in the long run. Someone isn't always there holding my hand, this makes it harder on the student (one reason
         
        05-25-2008, 11:37 PM
      #28
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by Spirithorse
    One of the main reasons Parelli doesn't hand feed you their information, besides Level 1, which they do hand feed you that, is because they want their students to become independent learners so we don't have to rely on others to make progress. Do I like this at times? No, but it's making me think by myself and for myself and making me figure things out on my own. I think this makes you a better student in the long run. Someone isn't always there holding my hand, this makes it harder on the student (one reason why I think some people don't like the program) but IMO it makes you a better horse person.
    I'm sorry, I feel the need to butt in here again.
    I think for myself - I don't and didn't have a trainer holding my hand as you put it; my trainer was really hard on me, and made me think out solutions... but she was there to correct me when I messed up.
    I think I'm a better horseperson for it. I was lucky, my parents (God bless them) put me through over 14 years of one-on-one lessons, and I would not trade that for the world.
    Honestly, there are some things that just don't click unless you have someone on the ground who can see what you're doing wrong.
    I wasn't swaddled through my riding career. I worked for my horse, I didn't get a push-button pony that just cantered a nice course; my first horse was barely green broke, and she tossed me off at least once per ride for the first year I owned her. But, with the help of my trainer, she turned out well.
    I could not see myself being anywhere near the level of knowledge that I have now if I had been trained by DVDs - what if you have to think outside the box? I've pulled from all my different trainers and have compiled a HUGE list of training tools which I can use with different horses; it seems to me that Parelli says "try the games" for almost every problem out there.... it's a blanket approach. Sure, sometimes it might work, but there are many problems out there that the basic games won't fix.

    That is my rant. I'm sorry if I stepped on some toes, but this has gotten to me. Mods, feel free to modify as needed.

    TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER:

    If you can't take lessons for whatever reason, then instructional books and DVDs are great - but I highly recommend not just sticking to one single method. Once you have enough experience, you should be able to pull information from all different methods and figure out what works for a particular horse.
    Sally Swift is an amazing author, you should check her out :)
    I work in a tack shop that has some great instructional books out there that cater to different disciplines - let me know what you want and I'll take a look and see what books would best suit you.
    Best of luck!
         
        05-26-2008, 04:25 PM
      #29
    Started
    Well, seeing as the Seven Games are based on what horses do with each other.....and based on horse psychology........yes, the games do work for all horses.......but it's the WAY in which to go about teaching the games that will ultimately decide if you succeed or fail because each horse is an individual, which is why Parelli has the Horsenality chart. Some horses may need you to fly through them because they get bored easily, while others need you to take your time and help build their confidence where it is lacking.
         
        05-27-2008, 11:55 AM
      #30
    Super Moderator
    I think I must be feeling witchy this week because I'm not usually argumentative. I promise I won't always be this ugly but....

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    Spirithorse wrote:

    One of the main reasons Parelli doesn't hand feed you their information, besides Level 1, which they do hand feed you that, is because they want their students to become independent learners so we don't have to rely on others to make progress. Do I like this at times? No, but it's making me think by myself and for myself and making me figure things out on my own. I think this makes you a better student in the long run. Someone isn't always there holding my hand, this makes it harder on the student (one reason why I think some people don't like the program) but IMO it makes you a better horse person.
    and

    Quote:
    Well, seeing as the Seven Games are based on what horses do with each other.....and based on horse psychology........yes, the games do work for all horses.......but it's the WAY in which to go about teaching the games that will ultimately decide if you succeed or fail because each horse is an individual, which is why Parelli has the Horsenality chart. Some horses may need you to fly through them because they get bored easily, while others need you to take your time and help build their confidence where it is lacking.
    As I said before, I'm glad you found a program that you feel works and I think it's great that you want to share, I get excited and want to share things too when I think they work... BUT... Your comment about being a better horseman is just plain offensive and as I've said a couple times, the natural horsemanship stuff is based on common sense.... I don't think it's a magical training program. I think it's great that you love it. I don't and I don't think you should throw a fit and get angry because not everyone is jumping up and down because you've found the golden program becuase it's not. It's a program that works for you. That's what it is. It's not a program that works for me, it's interesting, it's got some pretty good points and concepts... I use books and magazines and TV too... But what works best for me is a one on one with a trainer... and I saw someone said something about not having the money for a one on one session with a trainer... for the price of those lessons, you could have a one on one with a trainer so.... anyway... I apoligize because I'm not usually this cranky and I've also seen alot of knowledge in your other posts so I'm not dissing you, I'm just being a cranky pants today....
         

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