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post #101 of 129 Old 09-17-2012, 12:47 PM
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Sounds good to me! You aren't too far from me... lets meet in the middle and go kidnap her then keep her hostage in an abandoned barn. She will be our little secret (where is the ninja emot when I need it? lol)

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post #102 of 129 Old 09-17-2012, 12:49 PM
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post #103 of 129 Old 09-17-2012, 12:54 PM
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Oooo he's a very nice looking boy!

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Thanks. He is the son of the stallion I am riding in my avatar.
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post #105 of 129 Old 09-17-2012, 12:56 PM
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He looks quite handsome in it. Next time we head to the smokies, I will leave the fam at the cabin and head your way! :)

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post #106 of 129 Old 09-17-2012, 01:15 PM
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RE my previous comment:

It's called reading comprehension. I said coaches that need to get on to know whats happening don't have a solid understanding of biomechanics. NOT anyone that gets on a horse doesn't have a solid understanding. Many coaches do understand what's happening on the ground, and then choose to get on anyways, to demonstrate something or push something through.
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post #107 of 129 Old 09-17-2012, 01:30 PM
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I will do as Cinny said - get on the horse to see if the horse knows 'how' before I expect the student to understand what I am asking.
I can see when it 'could' be beneficial for a riding instructor to ride a student's horse. However, I will also add that perhaps the rider would benefit from riding a horse that can perform the maneuvers that the rider would like to apply to her green horse. The rider needs a solid foundation to build from as well. I think in Cinny's situation both the rider and the horse have holes in their training and those holes need to be filled before they can ever move forward. I don't know how having the instructor rider her horse will benefit anyone in this particular case.

And so what if the horse doesn't know how? My riding instructor has me do new things on my horse all the time. If she gives clear instructions that I follow properly my horse quickly learns what I am asking and we keep building. So, again, I don't think a riding instructor "needs" to ride a student's horse to be effective. If they want to in order to get a feel, by all means, ride away. It certainly can't hurt anything to do so.
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post #108 of 129 Old 09-17-2012, 01:36 PM
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I can see when it 'could' be beneficial for a riding instructor to ride a student's horse. However, I will also add that perhaps the rider would benefit from riding a horse that can perform the maneuvers that the rider would like to apply to her green horse. The rider needs a solid foundation to build from as well. I think in Cinny's situation both the rider and the horse have holes in their training and those holes need to be filled before they can ever move forward. I don't know how having the instructor rider her horse will benefit anyone in this particular case.
Exactly.

IMO the rider needs to be focusing on her own position right now, and not what the horse's head is doing, etc.. Without a feel, a solid position and a basic understanding of how the rider affects the horse biomechanically (through feel), it will be impossible for the rider to affect the horse positively. The rider first has to focus on getting herself to a level where she can ride in a balanced way with an effective position before she even begins to worry about the horse. In the same way the horse first must understand a balanced and feeling aid. Without having the rider up to a certain level of correctness, the horse is never going to progress or become better. We cannot just focus on the horse, blame the horse, say the horse needs to improve, etc.. until the rider is able to ride quietly and in balance with a good feel.
I don't think that someone getting on the horse for 10 minutes is going to help any rider correct her position, balance or feel as those are things which must be done with the rider in the saddle.

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I can see when it 'could' be beneficial for a riding instructor to ride a student's horse. However, I will also add that perhaps the rider would benefit from riding a horse that can perform the maneuvers that the rider would like to apply to her green horse. The rider needs a solid foundation to build from as well. I think in Cinny's situation both the rider and the horse have holes in their training and those holes need to be filled before they can ever move forward. I don't know how having the instructor rider her horse will benefit anyone in this particular case.
Absolutely! I don't think the current instructor would be a good choice at all from the way it sounds. I think Cinny needs a trainer that can take him back to the bare bones basics and fill in the holes while OP takes lessons on a horse that has the knowledge. Can't get to where you want to go if you don't know what the end result should be and how to work with it. I'm not a dressage rider but this could be any discipline and the solution would be the same.

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it's a forum. We disagree from time to time. Right?
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