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        05-11-2011, 02:33 PM
      #31
    Yearling
    On forums you are going to get negative and positive advise. That is just part of it. I get it to.

    Just find the advice you think to be helpful and ignore the rest of it. You will get there and that is great that the owner is willing to help you. It is always great to have someone there to ask questions and who can help you a long.
         
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        05-11-2011, 02:37 PM
      #32
    Showing
    Everyone here just has the best interests of both you and the horses in mind. The fact is, anyone who has been in the horse business (or a member of any horse forum) for any length of time at all has seen this exact thing dozens or hundreds of times.

    Overconfident youth takes on a project that is beyond their knowledge and capability to successfully deal with. Soon, youth is frustrated because said project is rearing or kicking or biting or bucking or pawing or bolting or charging or any number of other very serious and dangerous acts that is a direct result of the youth not knowing how to react to the initial act. Dangerous acts continue to get worse and put both youth and horse in danger but said youth, in their overconfidence, is convinced that they can fix it and argue that they don't need hands on help from someone with more experience. Eventually, the project ends up sent to an auction or given away as a project to someone else, or the owner finally scrapes up the money to hire a trainer who does have the ability to fix the issues.

    Everyone, including me, who is suggesting that you find a trainer to work with you just wants to give both you and the horses the best chance at success while minimizing the risks. There are certain things that we can give advice about over the internet, but if you don't have at least the basic idea down as to where to even start, then you need someone there with you that can be hands on and jump in to help the instant that you start having problems. With your lack of experience in training horses coupled with nobody there to give advice or help as you handle the horse, problems are inevitable.

    So, please, for your own safety and the sake of the horse's futures, find someone who can be there with you to help when you get into trouble.
         
        05-11-2011, 02:40 PM
      #33
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by smrobs    
    Everyone here just has the best interests of both you and the horses in mind. The fact is, anyone who has been in the horse business (or a member of any horse forum) for any length of time at all has seen this exact thing dozens or hundreds of times.

    Overconfident youth takes on a project that is beyond their knowledge and capability to successfully deal with. Soon, youth is frustrated because said project is rearing or kicking or biting or bucking or pawing or bolting or charging or any number of other very serious and dangerous acts that is a direct result of the youth not knowing how to react to the initial act. Dangerous acts continue to get worse and put both youth and horse in danger but said youth, in their overconfidence, is convinced that they can fix it and argue that they don't need hands on help from someone with more experience. Eventually, the project ends up sent to an auction or given away as a project to someone else, or the owner finally scrapes up the money to hire a trainer who does have the ability to fix the issues.

    Everyone, including me, who is suggesting that you find a trainer to work with you just wants to give both you and the horses the best chance at success while minimizing the risks. There are certain things that we can give advice about over the internet, but if you don't have at least the basic idea down as to where to even start, then you need someone there with you that can be hands on and jump in to help the instant that you start having problems. With your lack of experience in training horses coupled with nobody there to give advice or help as you handle the horse, problems are inevitable.

    So, please, for your own safety and the sake of the horse's futures, find someone who can be there with you to help when you get into trouble.
    I have been getting advice from the owner too. So I'm not doing this completely alone. If I run into problems I can talk to the owner. But I was looking for advice on where to start....
         
        05-11-2011, 02:47 PM
      #34
    Showing
    And that is exactly the kind of advice that can't be effectively relayed through typing. There are certain things about timing, body position, and other things that are almost impossible to explain clearly without being right there to show you what we mean.
         
        05-11-2011, 04:59 PM
      #35
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by horsejumper82793    
    do you think I havent talked to trainers too? Im collecting advice from several people, including people from this forum. I'm sure there are plenty of trainers on this forum. I post one thing and now I feel like I'm getting attacked by people who don't even know me. I tend to surprise people who doubt me, like my dad who didn't think I could afford a 4-year college. But I just won a $20,000 scholarship so I don't need anymore negative comments. Thanks..
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    You right, I don't know you. So of course I didn't know all these things that you decide to bring up later on in the thread.
    Many times people have come on here asked a question then oh all the suden there exsprets and don't need our advice.

    The fact is every one on here is still learning. Non of us know every thing, nor do we know how to handle every thing. But we have several members like Smrobs that are EXTREAMLY knowlageable. Her job is training horses, she knows what she is talking about.
         
        05-11-2011, 05:19 PM
      #36
    Weanling
    Even if you could successfully train the horses without getting hurt doesn't mean you should. Unless you know how to train correctly (which from what I read you don't) the horses would be better off going with a pro. Think of their futures. My poor mare was trained by people who didn't know a thing about training and its been hard work getting her back to how I trained horse should be. Think of the horses and their future owners.

    It'd be different if you had a good idea on where to start and encountered a problem you needed help with. That's what the forum is for. But the fact you don't even know where to start sends up a huge red flag. It's great you can ride a green horse and breeze racehorses but training is totally different.
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        05-12-2011, 09:25 PM
      #37
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by equus717    
    it might be easier on you to work with one solely for now and then when that one is going good then take on another one and so forth. I have four horses and I know with me training three of them it can be very time consuming and since this is your first go around on training a horse.
    I would have to agree with this one. These horses are so young that they really need small daily training. I worked with my gelding 15-20 min a day or twice a day, on basic manners and groundwork for months before I could do more complicated things. It has helped IMMENSELY! It takes a lot of energy and time to train a young horse. Trust me, I'm green on green too (not by choice). It is hard to learn a new language at the same time you are teaching it.

    Check out the new thread about groundwork. A lot of great advice there. Respecting space is definitely where to start. That is the bases for a learning relationship. Without that you aren't going to be able to teach them anything because they won't respect you.

    I also second the idea of sacking out. After you have established yourself as the leader (which they will test), sack them out to the world. Take them for walks, bring them to everything you can. Tractors, cars, trucks, fences, animals, leaves, whatever they might spook at. It will make a BIG difference in their training.

    Its your first time training so take it slow, it is easier to train a horse into a bad habit than a good one..don't ask me why? They drive me crazy like that....

    Good luck and stay safe. You might want to wear a helmet even if you are just doing groundwork with these horses. I knew someone who was almost killed just grooming a baby who reacted to quickly.
         

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