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        10-25-2013, 05:00 PM
      #21
    Foal
    Why won't your trainer let you take lessons with anyone else? So she is a dressage trainer and knows you are an eventer, and she knows you need some help with your jumping, and she won't let you get the help you need?

    An instructor is supposed to encourage and help you along, and when/if something is out of their realm of knowledge, they should direct you to someone who CAN help you. I obviously don't know specifics of the situation, but I'm just kind of confused about how you are supposed to learn and grow as an eventer if you are only limited to help in one of the 3 disciplines. You need such a broad range of skills in eventing, it seems really backwards to me.

    Not trying to be rude, just curious.
         
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        10-25-2013, 05:01 PM
      #22
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by jaydee    
    While you're working on getting her into a more collected frame you might find it easier to not canter riding in 2 point for a while - you will have more power in the saddle to hold her together when you sit down at the canter
    jayee has an excellent suggestion here. When you come into a grid, do it seated and let the first jumping effort put you into position for the grid. I was doing it as an experiment switching back and forth between going in both in full seat and half seat. I was amazed to see how much more my horse was able to use impulsion over speed to complete the exercise. I'd be curious to see if you feel a night and day change too.
         
        10-25-2013, 05:03 PM
      #23
    Weanling
    I don't have any recent side views of her when I'm not riding her. Here is one from February. She was in the middle of a growth spurt, so she looks rather awkward.

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        10-25-2013, 05:05 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    Well my trainer claims to be an eventing trainer. She has been eventing for 3 years, but has competed in the WEGs in dressage and has done fourth level. I only take dressage lessns from her and the occasionaly XC lesson because of the quality of the jumping lessons.

    There is a lot of competition at the barn because her homebred is the same age as Sunny and they're competing at the same level. I think this is part of the reason why I'm only allowed to take lessons from her. Also, she haes thoroughbreds, so my jump lessons turn into her saying "Well she's a thoroughbred so she won't balance. Just keep your leg on" or something along those lines. I know it's messed up, but a quality dressage lesson is hard to find, the barn is amazing and board is cheap.
         
        10-25-2013, 05:10 PM
      #25
    Trained
    Growth spurt in February? How old is this horse?
         
        10-25-2013, 05:14 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    She was 4 at the time. She is now 5. She looked so awkward in the winter and by June she was all evened out and hasn't grown since.
         
        10-25-2013, 05:24 PM
      #27
    Foal
    That's kind of crappy. To me it doesn't like the instructor is a very good match, a good instructor should try to help you any way they can, not make disparaging remarks and excuses because she doesn't like your breed of horse.

    Conformation wise, the thing that majorly jumps out at me is how upright and steep her humerus is, from point of shoulder to her elbow, and she also has a very open shoulder/humerus angle. This will make it harder for her to really raise her forearms up, because there really isn't anywhere for her humerus to go, so she is limited in her range of motion. Compared to a horse with a flatter humerus, it has a lot more room to swing forward vs an upright one. You might be able to improve them a bit, but you may have to accept she might never have those perfect tucked knees.

    ETA: In the second pic you posted, her shoulder/humerus angle doesn't look quite so extreme, but it's still a bit more upright than I'd prefer.
         
        10-25-2013, 05:26 PM
      #28
    Trained
    Ah. Now that I think of it, my horse was still finishing out at 6. I wouldn't worry too much about conformation unless you're looking to go higher than training. I say this as the owner of a horse that has short pasterns and very steep shoulder angle. He recently jumped a nearly 5' fence from a standstill with very nice form.

    To put it bluntly, that's complete BS that your horse is not capable of balancing over fences. You own one of the most athletic breeds on the planet. I can tell you absolutely without fail, grid work will improve your horse's jumping form.
         
        10-25-2013, 05:27 PM
      #29
    Weanling
    Here is another conformation shot of her from when she came off the track at the beginning of last summer:
    Sunny off track.jpg
         
        10-25-2013, 05:28 PM
      #30
    Trained
    Boy she's cute. By any chance, does she have Roberto in her bloodlines?
         

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