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        03-18-2011, 01:36 AM
      #11
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ButtInTheDirt    
    I can see the point you are trying to make. There are alot of people who have to teach themselves because they can't afford to get a professional trainer. I do have a trainer, but still sometimes I can't afford everything high-end for my horse. Does that make me a terrible horse owner because I don't get a bit that tears into my horses mouth and tack that shines like the sun? Or that I don't have an inclosed barn with stalls to keep my horses? Or that I don't have separate feeding areas designated for each little need for my horses?

    Some people just get rediculous. I mean there is a line between just the every day horse owner and being cruel to an animal. A very fat line, to put it that way. But the people who can afford everything and purchase every possible product for their horses and show them every weekend think there is no difference.

    People who can afford everything shouldn't spend their time nagging the every day person. They could actually be useful and do something that will actually benefit the world, rather than just making it a more angry place. Some people just waste oxygen with their existance with the dumb comments I've heard.

    People should try loving their horses, it works. No matter how disgusted I might be with my horses at the end of the day, I still love them. Love isn't measured by how you house your horse or what you feed them, it's an emotion. And just because people can't afford something for someone, doesn't mean they love htem any less.
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    Well said!
         
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        03-18-2011, 01:45 AM
      #12
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by masatisan    
    I think I know the post you are referring to, and if it is the one I'm thinking of I fully agree that the peoples response to her post was rude and uncalled for and totally unhelpful.

    I haven't had a proper lesson in over three years. My aunt rides at a hoity-toity eventing barn and her friend was totally astonished when I told her about Caleb. "he never gets grain?" only stable feed as a treat, "he never goes in a stall?" he would go insane in a stall "he never wears a blanket and he's outside all the time?" yep, along with the 84 other horses where he lives. Then again, he never gets clipped or bathed and has never had his mane pulled. Oh and this one really made her go "whaaa?" My farrier floats his teeth, and doesn't use sedative.
    Our farrier doesn't use a sedative either - that I know of. I've only seen him do it once and it was the barn owner's horse, not mine. I wasn't standing there for the entire process, but from the looks of it, he didn't use one.

    Chili has access to a stall if she wants it. This has been a soft point for me because I couldn't decide on stall or no stall, so I went in the middle!

    I do not blanket altho I considered it. I've also considered clipping but if I did, then the need for a blanket would be paramount, therefor - no clipping at this time. Bathing - as soon as it's consistently warm enough she's getting a bath but it's because she is F-I-L-T-H-Y !!! LOL
         
        03-18-2011, 01:47 AM
      #13
    Started
    I would love to see this thread as well. Sometimes, people take concern as bashing, and some people come off as bashing when they only are concerned. That is what is SO lovely about talking through a computer.. its all about perception ;)

    I was self taught until hmm, last year? Although I did develop a natural seat and sense of horse, I will admit that I have learned more from my year of lessons than of my self-teaching years combined. Crazy! Some things you just can't learn by teaching yourself. Even the top riders have trainers.

    For the most part, this forum puts safety and well being for both horse and rider first. If we see a novice rider trying to jump 3', then YES, we will express our concers! It would be not only not right but WRONG to ignore that.
         
        03-18-2011, 01:53 AM
      #14
    Started
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by masatisan    
    I haven't had a proper lesson in over three years. My aunt rides at a hoity-toity eventing barn and her friend was totally astonished when I told her about Caleb. "he never gets grain?" only stable feed as a treat, "he never goes in a stall?" he would go insane in a stall "he never wears a blanket and he's outside all the time?" yep, along with the 84 other horses where he lives. Then again, he never gets clipped or bathed and has never had his mane pulled. Oh and this one really made her go "whaaa?" My farrier floats his teeth, and doesn't use sedative.
    You don't HAVE to have lessons in every case. However, jumping for instance, is not something you should be learning yourself. Learning=key word. If you can already jump competently, great, do your thing without a trainer if you wish.

    We're not talking how "upscale" the horse is kept, we're talking self taught vs. having a trainer. How often horses are clipped/bathed/put into a stall have nothing to do with it.
         
        03-18-2011, 02:05 AM
      #15
    Weanling
    Yanno how you post on a thread and below are older threads similar to the one you've posted or searched for? That's how I found it originally. No clue what section it was in. It just stuck with me. ITA, Eliz about perception and take what most people say with a grain of salt. This particular thread was a bit harsh. I've seen others that also tend to lean toward the rude instead of helpful.

    I actually just wanted a new thread, to leave that particular rider alone and not involve the thread itself, if that makes any sense?

    As for self teaching/jumping, etc....
    It is my opinion that if I were to teach myself (or anyone else for that matter) to ride or jump - for the purpose of just having fun - then a trainer isn't necessary. HOWEVER. That being said, I believe there are limitations and safety concerns to consider. Obviously someone shouldn't start out jumping a 3' elevation! But what may be obvious to some might not be to others, and therein lies the actual problem. But for those who have above levels of common sense and actually LEARN on their own, from their mistakes and from watching others and from asking for help - those people, I think are fine on their own.

    Showing, is a different ball game altogether and ITA that if one were to show on an elevated level, some sort of training should be sought.

    I do not plan on showing. I simply want to enjoy my horse on a trail, overland, etc. The only training I'd like would be when I just can't get it right. I took lessons years ago for riding and TBH, the fundamentals of those lessons have never left (and shows when I am riding in a saddle too small for me, get jostled and tossed about and immediately revert to posting to help position myself better - all in a western saddle!)

    If I take Chili out on a trail and jump a small creek or log, am I going to endanger her or myself? It's possible. Would the danger be limited if I were trained to jump her over said creek or log? Perhaps or perhaps not. I personally would never force my horse to do anything - especially jumping. If we happen upon something and she feels the need to rabbit over it, by all means, I'm going to let her. However, if she refuses to STEP over, I'll walk her around or find another route. But that's just me. I'm not going to endanger my horse or myself. I think that is the difference between people who should be teaching themselves and those who **** well should not be!
         
        03-18-2011, 02:07 AM
      #16
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eliz    
    You don't HAVE to have lessons in every case. However, jumping for instance, is not something you should be learning yourself. Learning=key word. If you can already jump competently, great, do your thing without a trainer if you wish.

    We're not talking how "upscale" the horse is kept, we're talking self taught vs. having a trainer. How often horses are clipped/bathed/put into a stall have nothing to do with it.
    True. And although she wasn't on topic, I felt the need to address it as well.
         
        03-18-2011, 02:36 AM
      #17
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    Originally Posted by Chele11    
    HOWEVER. That being said, I believe there are limitations and safety concerns to consider. Obviously someone shouldn't start out jumping a 3' elevation! But what may be obvious to some might not be to others, and therein lies the actual problem. But for those who have above levels of common sense and actually LEARN on their own, from their mistakes and from watching others and from asking for help - those people, I think are fine on their own.

    I do not plan on showing. I simply want to enjoy my horse on a trail, overland, etc. The only training I'd like would be when I just can't get it right. I took lessons years ago for riding and TBH, the fundamentals of those lessons have never left (and shows when I am riding in a saddle too small for me, get jostled and tossed about and immediately revert to posting to help position myself better - all in a western saddle!)

    If I take Chili out on a trail and jump a small creek or log, am I going to endanger her or myself? It's possible. Would the danger be limited if I were trained to jump her over said creek or log? Perhaps or perhaps not. I personally would never force my horse to do anything - especially jumping. If we happen upon something and she feels the need to rabbit over it, by all means, I'm going to let her. However, if she refuses to STEP over, I'll walk her around or find another route. But that's just me. I'm not going to endanger my horse or myself. I think that is the difference between people who should be teaching themselves and those who **** well should not be!
    *I edited your post just to emphasize what I am replying to*
    I agree very much to what you just said, thank you.
    It all depends on the person, what they are doing, how they are doing it, etc. If a person has previous knowledge of the subject, whether from reading about jumping safety (for example) and has an understanding for it, they would be the person I would most likely let slide.

    In my opinion, comments like "you should have a trainer help you with that" are blanket statements. Of course it is different if you're just hopping over a log with your horse on a trail, but jumping your horse and taking pictures and posting them on a public forum, we assume that the rider wants to pursue some sort of jumping with their horse, therefore we encourage them to learn correctly. I don't know what thread you are talking about, I am assuming it is a training or critique thread? Of course it would be different if the rider posted a video of a CTR with a small log and then got bashed because they jumped it. Anyway, I think we have a pretty good understanding here. :)

    I will admit that sometimes people can get heated and start to bash. Things can escalate and get nasty. For the most part however, this forum is quick to give good advice and eager to help new riders start out on the right foot :)

    ETA: Sorry if I just contradicted myself or am rambling (its a common issue for me), or just made absolutely no sense in some places! It's 2 am and difficult to think soberly. Cheers! :)
         
        03-20-2011, 04:37 PM
      #18
    Foal
    I had lessons three times a week from the very beginning of my riding career, but I didn't really learn how to ride until I was started training with a top professional. Looking back, I would say the quality of your training outweighs the quantity. If you're going to pay for lessons, hire the very best in your area.
         
        03-20-2011, 04:59 PM
      #19
    Trained
    Jumping is somewhere on the order of 10-100 times more likely to result in a serious head injury. That suggests it isn't a good idea to take it up without instruction.
         
        03-20-2011, 05:22 PM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Chele, it seems to me that it was the tone of some of the responses in whichever thread you are referring to bothered you more than what was actually said?

    If so, I can understand what you are trying to say to some extent. Sometimes I think some of us (myself included) can forget the harshness of the typed word. Additionally there are certain issues that crop up on this forum time after time after time and when the safety/well being/health of a horse comes into question, conversations can get heated.

    Sometimes it is similar issues repeated with the same poster which leads to frustration on behalf of the advice givers and this often materializes on threads as blatantly rude or unhelpful posts just demanding the poster to "get a trainer" or "call a vet".

    Other times it may be a similar issue but with a poster who has never posted of such issues before but the wrath of previous battles with others is unintentionally unleashed on said unsuspecting newbie. I have seen that happen before and is regrettable.

    Either way, rude posts are not tolerated and if you feel that someone has overstepped the boundaries of common courtesy then you should report that post and the mods will look at it. I suspect that the advice givers that you are referring to had the best interests of the horse/rider combo in question as jumping is most certainly a dicipline that does call for certain precautions, correct tuition being one of them.

    If you are just popping over a small log here and there then the need for tuition is negligible providing you can balance over your horse well enough to minimize impact on their back or mouth. However, jumping a course of jumps is a completely different story and requires correct training and someone who can review your progress objectively as well as highlight the areas that need improvement.

    So, next time you see a bun fight in the making and feel that people are needlessly jumping down the throat of a fellow HF member, alert the mods to what is happening! They don't always have time to check each thread and so it is possible that they are not aware of the goings on.
         

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