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        03-21-2011, 12:56 AM
      #21
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    I think most of us are self taught on some level as there are very few of us who can afford to have a trainer with us every time we ride, and many of our break through moments happen while we ride alone, as we do this more than riding with a trainer.

    However, I believe your success depends on your riding level. Horses learn something every time we ride them. So if we are doing something wrong and releasing pressure, we are teaching them that this is right.

    I personally believe that if you are riding three times a week, unless you are very experienced, you should probably see a trainer at least once a month or two, just to make sure you are doing things right. And honestly, if you can't afford $40-60 every month or so, then horses are probably not for you, as vets bills can be horrific.
         
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        03-21-2011, 04:36 AM
      #22
    Weanling
    Wow.. listening to this make me feel like I pay to much for horse stuff. So my board is $610 and yes I guess it kinda of hoity toity... : P and then I have lessons 4-5 times a week.......... my horse is on grains, supplements, turnouts, mostly in stall so she doesnt injure something. I guess I have pretty nice tack and stuff... I spend an upward of about 1300 a month on one horse.... :(.

    I guess there are so many levels in horses, the self taught (which I prefer), the buy a good horse good trainer (kinda where im at), or the buy a bunch of good horses and ride 24/7. I guess when you come down to it, it doesnt matter where you are at but that you enjoy your horse, your horse is healthy, and both are safe.

    I guess I kinda thought every horse had a barn, every rider had a trainer, it was unheard of to have lessons less than 1 time a week...

    I like this post, it kinda shows the many sides off the horse world :)

    Anyways... About the self taught. Can be great or horrible depend on the person. If you have issues, I would get a trainer. I compete a lot so not trainer is not an option really but for pleasure you should be able to get away with out one so long as you read a lot about horse care and riding.
         
        03-21-2011, 05:11 AM
      #23
    Weanling
    I think the old post you're talking about might be the one I posted for my friend awhile ago, lol.

    I do agree to some extent. But I think people need some professional help at some point in their riding/training lives. Whether it be from a video or an actual trainer, people need outside knowledge eventually.
         
        03-21-2011, 01:09 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    [QUOTE=AlexS;969490]
    However, I believe your success depends on your riding level. Horses learn something every time we ride them. So if we are doing something wrong and releasing pressure, we are teaching them that this is right.
    I agree with this to an extent.

    I personally believe that if you are riding three times a week, unless you are very experienced, you should probably see a trainer at least once a month or two, just to make sure you are doing things right. And honestly, if you can't afford $40-60 every month or so, then horses are probably not for you, as vets bills can be horrific.
    If a trainer is $40-$60 every month or so in your area, I should live near you because around here, they are NOT that cheap. Not only that, but trailering a horse TO the trainer alone would cost that much given the price of gas these days. As for a horse not being for me because I can't afford a trainer - is absolutely ridiculous. Think about that statement: I couldn't afford to pay a huge hospital bill if something happened to my child, so does that mean I shouldn't have children?
         
        03-21-2011, 01:11 PM
      #25
    Weanling
    [QUOTE=Bandera;969636]
    Anyways... About the self taught. Can be great or horrible depend on the person. If you have issues, I would get a trainer. I compete a lot so not trainer is not an option really but for pleasure you should be able to get away with out one so long as you read a lot about horse care and riding.

    EXACTLY!!
    And I cannot believe you pay that much for one horse a month! That's more than my rent, utility bill and food bill for a family of 4. What do you do for a living! I need that job!!!! LOL
         
        03-21-2011, 03:39 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    I have no idea what post you are referring to, but here's my thought on the riders with no trainers. I'm trying to organize this so it is coherent, so bear with me here!

    When you start learning something without a guide, there's an ignorance that comes into play. It's just because when no one has told the person, they have no way of knowing. They don't realize the correct way to do something, so they kind of stumble through it. Sometimes they'll have to do trial and error to figure out a better way, but sometimes they'll figure out something works well enough, and just leave it at that.

    Or, they won't realize what's important about what they are learning. They completely ignore somethings, and focus on the wrong things.

    An example of this - a woman I saw at a barn who apparently rode dressage. I watched her hauling on her horse's face as the horse did a rushing strung out trot. She was trying to focus on getting a headset as though that was the most important part of riding. Watching that, all I could think was "she must be a beginner".

    I think that without taking riding lessons, you are forever stuck at the "begining rider" stage. Without learning about more advanced riding techniques, or even different ways to do things, your tool box is extremely limited. You may have been riding one horse that reacts "well enough" to what you do, but your ability to ride other horses is extremely limited. Some horses take advantage of riders, and without having had the lessons to teach the proper way to do something, you will find yourself having a tough and frustrating time. It may come to the point where you want to give up because it seems so hard.

    The point I'm trying to make is, many of the rider's without trainers don't realize the holes in their education until they are tested. It's extremely difficult to get a well balanced horse education without a guide. Imagine signing up for a class on chemistry, getting handed a book to look at (if that), and then told you will be tested randomly sometime in the future, most likely multiple times. That's what riding without instruction is like.

    Some people can do it, and are excellent self taught. That is wonderful if that is the case. However, the majority are not. And it's not because they are silly or stupid, it's because it can be hard to read about a concept in a book/online and apply it with sucess. Or it ends up "sort of working" and they think that's how it's supposed to work. They can't see themselves riding without mirrors or video to play back later, so they don't see what errors they are commited. They get the muscle memory of doing it wrong, and for them, it seems to work great.

    My personal story - My second horse as a teenager was completely green, and after trying to teach it myself, I got a trainer. I was completely shocked at how much I didn't know. I should mention that before I got the trainer, I still thought I had been doing awesome. I thought, "the horse does what I want it to do!" Turns out, I was just lucky the horse didn't take advantage of my ignorance, and had tolerated my errors.
         
        03-21-2011, 11:15 PM
      #27
    Started
    Great post, vintage!
    Took my thoughts and then organized them better than I could! ;)
         
        03-22-2011, 12:23 AM
      #28
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bandera    
    I spend an upward of about 1300 a month on one horse.... :(.
    My goodness, this is my mortgage payment. I could not have a horse if this was the cost involved.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chele11    
    If a trainer is $40-$60 every month or so in your area, I should live near you because around here, they are NOT that cheap. Not only that, but trailering a horse TO the trainer alone would cost that much given the price of gas these days. As for a horse not being for me because I can't afford a trainer - is absolutely ridiculous. Think about that statement: I couldn't afford to pay a huge hospital bill if something happened to my child, so does that mean I shouldn't have children?
    My trainer is $40 an hour, and when I was boarding (I now keep my horse with her) she came to me for that amount. She is very qualified and experienced.

    I guess a lot of it depends on the area that you live in.

    And no of course not, I meant that if someone could not afford one lesson in the $40 range a month, then maybe they should not have horses.

    I am consistently living pay check to pay check, I have no rainy day fund. A significant vet bill would be a problem for me, but I have a good enough relationship with my vet that I could agree to payment terms.
         
        03-22-2011, 02:49 AM
      #29
    Foal
    My two cents on this very interesting issue.

    As most people have said, "depends on the person, depends on the horse" - I feel like the thing that makes self-taught riders successful is the motivation to do things correctly, and doing things correctly is important. It is not important because you'll win all the ribbons if you do it right, or because people will think you're cool if you do it right, or because your horse will win lots of money if you do it right. It is important because, if you do it right, your horse will be happy, sound, and sane. A self-taught rider with hard hands or a bouncy seat or muddy cues is causing damage to the horse's mouth and back, not to mention being confusing.

    Are all self-taught riders like this? No! Like I said, motivation is everything.

    This is more of a self-taught trainer anecdote, but I think the idea applies:
    That being said, I got my first (and still my only) horse when she was a year and a half old. I was 15. (yikes) I started her myself, but I wouldn't have lasted a week without loads of support and encouragement from my wonderful barn community. I also read books, watched videos, and audited about a million clinics. I am constantly evaluating and critiquing how things are going during training, and take lessons whenever I can afford it. I also get advice through forums like this and bouncing ideas off fellow riders (a friendly community barn is so, so, so helpful in this regard - if you board, find a good place!) Certainly my horse and I have issues, but we work through them together through hard work and the motivation to be better.

    I have seen many people who get a horse because they think it will be fun and simply don't know what they're doing. I would love to encourage their enthusiasm, but putting your horse on a lunge line and galloping them in a tiny circle, at top speed, for an hour and a half is not training, nor is it conditioning. Throwing a saddle on that same horse and simultaneously yanking on the reins while smacking him with the crop is not correct riding. ("That's how they do it on TV" - ugh.) Feeding a horse alfalfa while they are stalled 24-7 because "it smells and looks nicer" is not a healthy diet. Yes, you have to trim your horse's feet. No, your horse should not just wander around loose in a cramped aisle near sharp farm equipment. No, you probably shouldn't crack your whip inches from your tied horse or jump out at them from behind walls. It's not funny. Yes, horses need to be warmed up before galloping into the sunset. They also need water pretty consistently, so you can't teach them to tie by chaining them to the front of their stall for a day with no access to water. They will colic and die.

    Anyway /rant. Uneducated people who have no interest in becoming educated harm horses. This is unacceptable.

    IN CONCLUSION: I am totally on board with people learning as they go, but I think everyone should have someone knowledgeable teach them the fundamentals of riding and horsemanship before they move on by themselves. There are bigger repercussions than just looking good when you know how to ride/handle a horse correctly.
         

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