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post #11 of 20 Old 03-06-2014, 10:42 AM
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First of all, never lunge a horse in just a halter. Use a loose ring snaffle and run the lunge line from your hand, through the snaffle ring, up over the back of her head behind the ears and then back down clipping it to the snaffle ring on the opposite side. Put a saddle on her and side reins so she has light contact in a relaxed, standing position. NOW lunge her. Every time you have to change direction you will have to stop and change the rig (this is why a lunging cavesson is good). Doing this you will have much more control.

When you lunge the rein hand the the whip hand form a triangle with the horse being the base of the triangle and the handler at the appex. Point the whip at the horse's hip. If she refuses to move step rearward and point the whip at her butt behind the hip.. and crack it. You may have to reach out and touch her with it.

If she gets going too fast you point the whip toward the girth of the shoulder.

Lunging is an art form. Lunging a horse in a halter teaches nothing and the halter is mild so if they decide to take off, they are gone.. you cannot stop them. Never wrap the lunge line around a hand or any other part of your body.

Reading what you have written my impression is that your lack experience. I suggest you find a place to keep this mare where she can be trained and you can take lessons. While any horse handler can be stepped on, this problem is most often the result of an inexperienced handler not knowing how to move to NOT be stepped on. I am not saying this to be mean.. it is just that green horses and green handlers usually turn to black and blue.

Never forget.. horses are large and not terribly bright (sorry Walt Disney). They can kill you and without intention. Do stay safe.

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post #12 of 20 Old 03-06-2014, 11:01 AM
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First of all, never lunge a horse in just a halter. Use a loose ring snaffle and run the lunge line from your hand, through the snaffle ring, up over the back of her head behind the ears and then back down clipping it to the snaffle ring on the opposite side. Put a saddle on her and side reins so she has light contact in a relaxed, standing position. NOW lunge her. Every time you have to change direction you will have to stop and change the rig (this is why a lunging cavesson is good). Doing this you will have much more control.

When you lunge the rein hand the the whip hand form a triangle with the horse being the base of the triangle and the handler at the appex. Point the whip at the horse's hip. If she refuses to move step rearward and point the whip at her butt behind the hip.. and crack it. You may have to reach out and touch her with it.

If she gets going too fast you point the whip toward the girth of the shoulder.

Lunging is an art form. Lunging a horse in a halter teaches nothing and the halter is mild so if they decide to take off, they are gone.. you cannot stop them. Never wrap the lunge line around a hand or any other part of your body.

Reading what you have written my impression is that your lack experience. I suggest you find a place to keep this mare where she can be trained and you can take lessons. While any horse handler can be stepped on, this problem is most often the result of an inexperienced handler not knowing how to move to NOT be stepped on. I am not saying this to be mean.. it is just that green horses and green handlers usually turn to black and blue.

Never forget.. horses are large and not terribly bright (sorry Walt Disney). They can kill you and without intention. Do stay safe.
Lunging in a bit is a preference. More so used for english horses. Very few western horses are lunged in a bit. They are typically lunged in a halter (rope preferablly). Clinton anderson lunges english and western horses in them, and none of those horses take off and wont stop. The OP says she hates the bit. So lunging the horse in the bit with the line connected to it wont help. The horse must first accept the contact. I feel that lunging with the line connected to the bit is going to be to much for this horse. This horse also doesn't have the experience for side reins from what the OP has said. That combination is likely to cause the horse to feel trapped and blow up. Which would be a set back for the horse and the OP. You wouldn't just throw side reins a saddle and a lunge line attached to the bit on a 3 year old. It shouldn't be done here either.. The horse is green and should be treated like it

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post #13 of 20 Old 03-06-2014, 11:04 AM
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Thank you all!

Yeah, I've never lunged a horse with a chain before. I don't think my neighbors lunge with a chain either.

I do have one more question. Say I bring her over to the neighbors', and she realizes the horses are near and starts bucking or trying to take a run for it, what should I do? I would most likely have my best friend with me (her and her sister are both experienced with horses). I realize that I would have to work on her groundwork first before I even try to bring her over there. Do you think that will help with her bolting for it when I bring her over there? Thanks! :)
If she does, and you are not on her, get her feet moving, forwards, backwards, left and right. Make her give you two eyes. One pop on the lead rope each time her focus goes to them and you go out of her mind. She will be less likely to try this when you have her respect, and can move all of her body. Is she going to be a western or english horse?
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for leading her with more control, you can use a rope halter and a reasonably long rope line. You can also use a stud chain with a flat halter. I have used them on horses where I had to lead them places that made them kind of lose their minds. Of course, good training should make that unnecessary, but sometimes we don't have the time or the skill, and need help NOW.

Do you know how to put a stud chain on?
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post #15 of 20 Old 03-06-2014, 09:43 PM Thread Starter
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I agree with Larissa about the bit. She is going to hate being forced into a bit (which took me maybe half an hour the last time I put a bit in?), much less being lunged in it.

Elana, I do lack experience with horses. I have not been raised around horses my entire life. Only for the past 7 years have I been around horses. I've only owned Scarlet for 2 years. I have lunged two horses before. My friends taught me how to lunge, and I've seen it done many times. I do plan on having someone experienced (one of my best friend's grandparents) there with me. Thank you for the info you've given me! :)

Tinyliny, I have never used a stud chain before. My friend has one, but we never had to use it. I'm pretty sure they know how and would teach me. :)
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Oh, and Larissa, she's all western! :)
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post #17 of 20 Old 03-07-2014, 03:32 PM
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I agree with Larissa about the bit. She is going to hate being forced into a bit (which took me maybe half an hour the last time I put a bit in?), much less being lunged in it.

Elana, I do lack experience with horses. I have not been raised around horses my entire life. Only for the past 7 years have I been around horses. I've only owned Scarlet for 2 years. I have lunged two horses before. My friends taught me how to lunge, and I've seen it done many times. I do plan on having someone experienced (one of my best friend's grandparents) there with me. Thank you for the info you've given me! :)

Tinyliny, I have never used a stud chain before. My friend has one, but we never had to use it. I'm pretty sure they know how and would teach me. :)
Melody, you said she hates the bit. What bit have you tried on her? Sometimes a bit causes discomfort and that can add to the problem. My little Morgan mare hated the bit. The people road her in a full cheek snaffle. And said she braced against it, etc. Then I put a mullen mouth egg butt bit on her and viola. She had a low pallet. So the joint in the snaffle was slamming into the roof of her mouth in a nut cracker action. Not saying this is the case, but just giving a possibilty. My mare is also going to be a western and english horse. But western first.
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Melody, you said she hates the bit. What bit have you tried on her? Sometimes a bit causes discomfort and that can add to the problem. My little Morgan mare hated the bit. The people road her in a full cheek snaffle. And said she braced against it, etc. Then I put a mullen mouth egg butt bit on her and viola. She had a low pallet. So the joint in the snaffle was slamming into the roof of her mouth in a nut cracker action. Not saying this is the case, but just giving a possibilty. My mare is also going to be a western and english horse. But western first.

It's a snaffle bit. Her previous owners never said what they used on her. I'll be trying the snaffle on her again soon, and if she acts up with it again, I will see if I can find something else. Thanks!
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I was riding my horse today and we were doing great. We got to running and there was a small hole that neither of us seen, well long story short his back left foot went in the hole which caused him to lose his balance and I lost my footing in the saddle and I fell off. Now he wont let me back on him he keeps jumping to the side and snorts and throws his body around. I walked him for an hour today and he still wont let me on him, and ideas on how to fix this.
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post #20 of 20 Old 03-10-2014, 02:15 PM
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I was riding my horse today and we were doing great. We got to running and there was a small hole that neither of us seen, well long story short his back left foot went in the hole which caused him to lose his balance and I lost my footing in the saddle and I fell off. Now he wont let me back on him he keeps jumping to the side and snorts and throws his body around. I walked him for an hour today and he still wont let me on him, and ideas on how to fix this.
You need to start your own thread, under horse training. It is considered disrespectful to take over somebody's thread.
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