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post #21 of 58 Old 07-15-2012, 03:37 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by faye View Post
What you discribe is a badly trained stallion and one that has never been socialised properly.
In the uk the M&M show ring is full of well trained well socialised stallions and shock horror they are ridden and handled by children!
I know plenty of stallions that are turned out with thier companion geldings, that wouldnt dream of getting thier bits out when being ridden and given that a lot of them compete to a high level in dressage, jumping or eventing as well then it is obvious thier brains dont go on vacation when they see a mare. In the show ring They are walk, trotted, cantered and galloped in a group of other unfamiliar horses including mares, geldings and other stallions and there has yet to be an incident because of it.

Train a stallion correctly and they are no different to any other mare or gelding.
You do have to be over 18 here to handle stallions at a show, however I agree.

The stallions at our yard are better behaved. There is one fresh under saddle that has to occassional slip up, but thats also because his rider isn't 1000% all the time. I say 1000% because you've got to keep your boundries and not cross them.

He doesn't nip, but he has tried lipping when I first brought him home. Lipping leads to nipping leads to biting. I push his face away, and he caught on. My mum stroked his nose and he tried lipping. I explained no one touches his face but me when he's worked well- that is his reward and he'll learn that. Learning curve to my mum that this is a stallion now, not a toy ;D

We have had stallions in the area come and use our school. If they can't behave, they're out.. but they are.

Stallions ARE quite common round here.. we are about 1h30 away from the home of the German warmblood for lack of better word, and if we didn't have stallions.. well.. we'd never have foals.. and well... never have riding horses again ;D
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Originally Posted by BlooBabe View Post
I think you are doing an amazing job with your stud. I agree that he's not aloud to 'hang out' when I'm around him or any other person for that matter. I have told people that if he's being a stud around them then they can give him a quick smack to the chest barrel or rump and if that doesn't work they can make him work so he has the respect of everyone in contact with him and not just me. I don't know what kind of horse you have but because mine is a draft I started teaching him to lift his legs with a tap on the leg to let him know which I wanted, push his leg forward until I got it to bend, and then I'd use a lead rope to help me lift and hold his leg up before he got the hang of it. Because my body wasn't up next to his he couldn't lean on me. I never gave him the option to lean because if I felt the weight get heavy I'd drop the leg a bit or completely teaching him to hold it himself. I also agree with doing circles, bending, and other work when he's misbehaving whether it's calling out to the mare or acting studly towards you or anyone else (also other animals such as dogs, cows, or any animals at your barn). There might me times when it's hard to deal with him but the more vigilant you are and the more work you do with him the better he'll be.

I disagree with what other people have been saying about how dangerous stallions are. A stallion that isn't trained correctly will be dangerous. However the properly trained and socialized stallion will act no differently then any other horse. For example I have an 18hh Belgian stallion that I've trained from nothing that I bring to shows all the time and he's never once gone after a mare. In fact the people who own the mares have a harder time controlling their horses around mine than I do controlling my boy around them. He's also paddocked with a gelding, adjacent to both another stallion separated by electric tape (not electrified), another gelding separated by electrified tape because the gelding isn't friendly, and a mare about 10 feet in front of him across in another paddock. He hasn't acted out at any of the horses around him since I've finished training because he knows not to act out. If he acted studly or tried to act like head honcho over me then he got worked. It's a lot of work but if you're willing to do it then I wish you the best of luck. Don't let other people bully you around and decide what to do with him, he's your horse, your opinion is the only one that matters, and if you want to keep him in tact then go for it.

I never even thought about the poor dogs. NOOO!

Maybe its an age thing.. I'm unsure when testosterone kicks in but my dad and I think he may bat for the other team. He just doesn't seem interested in mares... wait.. he may be lulling me in to a false sense of security!

I did a ground work session today, two poles, three cones to bend in and out of and a plastic rubbish bag I split and lay out and put sand over either end to hold it.

He did. everything. no joke. I had my knotted halter on just in case, and apart from an initial hesitation at the bag, he did everything. over, and over, and over. I couldn't have asked for better.

Not only that, I took the halter off and he followed me around.

I think so long as he has his ground rules, and he knows what they are, and we work together and he trusts me, we'll get done what we need to
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I have dealt with a few stallions and my philosophy is that you handle them with the same no nonsense mindset of every other horse. I personally find it amusing that people think you need to handle a stallion any differently. Granted, there are things you will have to correct in a stud that a mare or gelding will never do in the first place, but I am no more lenient or permissive of my filly than I would be if she were a stallion. Good manners are good manners and obedience is required and solid, consistent training is how you accomplish that, regardless of gender.

As for the testosterone kicking in, if you have the kind of solid obedience with him that you should shoot for, I never had any problems making one mind his manners. My filly's sire was pasture bred and I remember bringing him in out of a pasture full of mares and riding him the next day. The small arena on the farm where I worked was right next to one of the smaller paddocks where we had two mares in heat because they were being bred to the old stud. I hopped on him with the bare back pad and lines hooked on his halter and was jogging him around that arena like it was just any other day because he knew his job so nothing else mattered.

It sounds to me like you know how to set boundaries and stick to your guns and that is all it really takes. I'm sure you'll do great with him!
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Leaning, is kind of a stud thing...or every one I've ever trained has done that as kind of a dominance thing. So do some work moving him OFF of pressure. Ground work with dropping the poll, moving the hips etc and teach him that he will MOVE away from the pressure or of course the pressure gets heavier until he does. That takes longer than mares, IME with stallions. Put that lesson him early that he is to move away from pressure and that will go along way with his respectful behavior. As for the calling - no no no no. I use rope halters and give him a stern correction and we go to work right there. If he's calling, he's not paying attention to you.
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I had a horse that loved to lean on me. It hurt my back. So i dropped him. He lost his balance, dropped to a knee. Stood up, looked around like "what the hell just happened" took 2 more times and the habit was broke.

Also getting into a tugging match with a leg, will not do. Youll lose everytime. So, pinch his chestnut! Works like a charm!
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Originally Posted by DuffyDuck View Post
Maybe its an age thing.. I'm unsure when testosterone kicks in but my dad and I think he may bat for the other team. He just doesn't seem interested in mares... wait.. he may be lulling me in to a false sense of security!
Not completely suprising - my grandfather bought a huge, top quality bull to breed to his cows, but he was only interested in the steers. Not one of my grandfather's better investments . I also had the same experience with a top quality budgerigar I bought for breeding purposes. It's always the big, handsome, expensive ones...
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This is hilarious to me. People are the ones who give stallions a bad name, it's really not the horse. Usually because people are afraid of them. God forbid he talk to another horse, next thing you know, he will bolt out of your hand rearing and striking, probably running over an innocent child...all just to breed some mare across the arena....geesh people. I was given this advice when it comes to studs...."IF YOU TREAT THEM LIKE A GLASS HORSE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL GET...A GLASS HORSE!!!" One who cracks under pressure, can't be taken off the property, can't be around kids, you name it...they will turn into a freaking night mare!!! But, it's not the horses fault. I was at a cutting clinic once...on my mare standing in between two who was an APHA cutting stud, like 15 years old...the other was a 5 year old QH...(who I later bred my mare to.) I will tell you this, neither one of those boys remotely even looked at my mare, or each other. My mare on the other hand, was beside herself. Yet, they were perfect gentlemen :) Sounds to me like your in good hands OP :) Never be afraid of your boy. Just keep him respectful, and you should be fine together.
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Hey I work with wild stallions, as in mature been runing wild on the moutains wild stallions who have been mustered up and put up for adoption. They arrive completely unhandled two days from muster on the back of a stock truck. So I have a wee bIt of experiance with stallions, just to add I'm a very petite girl.

These boys are wonderful, and with correct handling should never behave any differant from a gelding. My boys even mature breeding stallions graze and are paddocked together. I always pity stallions who live there whole lives isolated. Mine are all handled around mares, and all learn to be led off a mare, trailered next to mares etc and learn that breeding is not an option.

My tips are
1. As soon as your around them they are not allowed to whinny, look, be distracted by other horses. Always attention on you. In a nice way,j don't have to be rough with them
2. Never let the sniff any horse poo, or exhibit any of this kind of behaviour when your handling them
3. Agressivebehaviour is never acceptable.

My boys are all lovely, I've never had any problems, however just somethign to think about if you leave him to long before you geld he may always be a bit colty. The more mature wild stallion still exhibit stallion behaviour, ie pooping in big mounds and being interested in mare for years after being gelded, because that behaviour is so ingrained in them from there years runing wild.

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Not much to add that hasn't been said already. It sounds to me that you are doing a fine job Sophie and have the proper plan & resources in place to make a good go with Dubai.

I treat the studs on our farm (current and past) like any other horse. Bad behavior isn't acceptable to me from any horse, stud, mare or gelding. That being said when handling/owning a stud one has to be aware that there may be more serious implications from misbehavior so there is reason to be very vigilant with our expectations of them.

My most solid & steady lesson horse is my old man. I can't tell you how many parents shirk a bit when I ask (I always ask first because some just aren't comfortable no matter how well behaved & trained) if their kid can ride a stud. Generally once they do, they don't want to ride the old mares anymore. He doesn't do the old schoolie get out of work tricks ever, he puts his nose to the grindstone and gets to work. When a stud is taught well, they make fantastic partners.

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