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post #1 of 9 Old 02-08-2012, 08:40 PM Thread Starter
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Training help please!

I need some tips on training!
I have an 8 year old paint horse. We bought him as a stallion and bred him to 2 of our mares. We were told he was rideable but we didn't actually try as we don't like to jump on stallions we don't know. We bought him for only $3000. He turned out to be the most unruly stallion ever! He tore down a stall, cracked a water trough, and tore down 3 types of electrical fencing! After a lot of consideration we decided to geld him and use him as a trail horse. After slowly working on him we got on him and ended up with knee surgery! We decided to send him to a trainer. After almost a year the trainer decided that he was to "stubborn." I don't know the trainer well so I don't know how he does things. I have decided that I am just going to bring him back and try too train him myself. This horse is very particular about the people he trusts. I want to build a solid relationship with him and teach him basically from the ground up! Any tips on what you think I should do? Thanks!
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post #2 of 9 Old 02-08-2012, 10:11 PM
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Get ready for a long, mostly slow process of learning to be a horse trainer. That's what you'll need to become if you want to train your own horse. It may take years, depending on how much natural ability you have. Also, if it were me I wouldn't get on him until I was confident that I could handle anything he does.

Personally, I learned through studying and trial-and-error. It may go faster if you take lessons, hopefully with a trainer who's a little better than the previous one. I can't imagine taking someone's money for an entire year and having basically nothing to show for it.
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post #3 of 9 Old 02-08-2012, 10:17 PM
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Get help from a good trainer and pray his temperament isn't genetic. If it is, you may end up with 2 foals exactly like him.

Always remember that feeling of looking at a big, open country over the ears of a good horse, seeing a new trail unwind ahead of you, and that ever-spectacular view from the top of the ridge!!! Follow my training blog: http://robertsontraining.blogspot.com/
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post #4 of 9 Old 02-08-2012, 10:36 PM
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While you will need to focus on his particular areas of concern, I would advise you start from the very basics -- the firsts being respect of your space and giving to pressure. However, if his destructive behavior (re barn, fences) has continued after he has been gelded, I'm not sure how you would correct that behavior. Hopefully there is a reason behind it that can be worked through.

I learned through trial and error as well, and it is long and very disheartening when you realize that you messed up something in the training. That requires going backwards several steps to "untrain" your own mistake. Not easy for all involved.

Read, read, ask, listen, watch, learn what to watch for... This means watching other horses and trainers/riders/hands, not just yours. If you can find a trainer to guide you that would be most beneficial.
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post #5 of 9 Old 02-08-2012, 11:12 PM
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I think you need to find a trainer that is willing to work WITH you AND the horse. I'm glad you got him gelded :)

Best of luck!
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post #6 of 9 Old 02-09-2012, 12:11 PM
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How do we know if the trainer he has been at a year is good or bad?

Has he improved at all since he went to the trainer?

How did he damage you when you needed knee surgery?

I would want to know a whole lot more about this situation and what the horse is doing before advising. If he is rank and dangerous, then maybe I would advise putting him down. If he is just slow to learn but safe then maybe go ahead.

Without more info though, no one can safely advise you
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post #7 of 9 Old 02-09-2012, 12:16 PM
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How good rider are you? And even if you are a great rider training is something different. You have to know what you are doing. Not saying there are no people out there who trained themselves, but it's very tough and not the road I'd recommend.

If you are 100% set on doing it yourself at least find a good trainer to take lessons together with this horse.

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post #8 of 9 Old 02-09-2012, 06:25 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for all of the replies! I am absolutely dead set on training him on my own. Since we have gelded him he as become an absolutely wonderful horse with an amazing temperment. I am only 15 and have been riding since before I can remember. I have been showing since I was 2 in speed events. I broke one of his babies this year. I have taken lessons and know how to handle horses. We don't have to pay for this training as we loaned him money to save his barn from forclosure and he gave us free training and lessons. I haven't had the chance to do the lessons.

How do we know if the trainer he has been at a year is good or bad?
I got one of my horses from him who he broke out and trained but this is the only interaction I have had with him.

Has he improved at all since he went to the trainer?
I am not sure as I am only going on the trainers word. I am picking him up in a week.

How did he damage you when you needed knee surgery?
We were ponying him with a rider. My dad was on him and he decided that he wanted to try without the lead. My dad unknowingly walked him into a rasberry bush. He reared and my dad fell off. When he came back down he landed my dad's knee.

I would want to know a whole lot more about this situation and what the horse is doing before advising. If he is rank and dangerous, then maybe I would.
He is a good horse I just think that we made a wrong decision in sending him to a trainer. I was less experienced and younger when we did decide to send him their. I did ride him around the arena in a halter with a saddle at a walk but that is all the was able to be done. He is in no way a dangerous horse now. I was very connected with him before and I feel like I have the ability to get him to a riding state. He is a gorgeous horse that had a bad start at life. I want to fix it!
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post #9 of 9 Old 02-28-2012, 04:02 PM
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understand your horse - home training

I work for an international horse training company (in the IT department) and although I don't own a horse, I see thousands of stories from horse owners who train their horse by learning to understand their horse's personality, or Horsenality! Every horse is different and sometimes the most difficult ones are the smartest and will be the most fun. Once you figure out what your horse is trying to tell you, you can get them to do just about anything and they'll think it was their idea!

There are good natural horsemanship companies that offer home study courses and I encourage you to research the ones that stress natural methods and horse psychology. As a mother to three very different children, I see the value in first learning to understand your horse's behavior and THEN determine the best way to teach/train him.

Good luck in your adventure with your spirited horse!
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