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    09-08-2009, 05:39 AM
Kevin,Milo's Mum, Macabre, Tealamutt.
I sense that together you have paid me the biggest compliment I could perhaps expect to receive. Thank you all.

The saga of Joe will continue.

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    09-08-2009, 06:56 AM
Joe & the CRG
I had to tell Joe that he had been enrolled in the Classical Riding Group, after all he is a founder member. His immediate question was: “what’s it mean to be a Classical Horse”. Well, I explained to him that he did not have to be a Lusitano or an Andalucian to be a member. He had previously understood that to be a classical horse he would eventually have to fight bulls or do funny dancing around a pole but I explained to him that he would not be asked to do anything of the sort. The obvious question came next about what he did have to do. I said very little really but I did say that what he was to be asked to do, he had to perform properly.
I do it properly already” came back instantly -
I said “
Oh No you don’t - you walk around with your nose in the air and regularly you trip over things“.
Well I am a Big Boy, who never got no schooling - so maybe you should cut me some slack.”
“Well, I said, if you carried yourself properly then it would not be so difficult to carry me on your back“.
“You mean you are going to lose weight?
“No, I said, but the trainer is going to teach you how to walk properly“.
What more of that crossing over of the legs and more going round in circles?”
“Maybe“, I said.
“Will that funny woman be riding me again?”
“Probably,” I replied.
“Well she knows how to make you move“.
“Well for sure, you don’t.”
Are you saying that I don’t sit on your back properly?”
“You don’t always“.
“Well if it is any comfort I am going to have lessons too“.
What on me as the guinea pig?”
Where else?”
So what you are saying is that we have both joined this Classical Club thingie and I am going to walk better and you are going to sit better.”
Pretty much, that’s the idea. OK?”
“What else does this new club do?”
Well they organise meetings
“What, where I get to meet other horses?”
“Yes maybe, if you behave yourself“.
“What do you get out of all this?”.
“Well, there are some social events too“.
“Can I come?”
- “No“.
“Why not?” -
Well it’s a human’s thing.”
“Do I get salt & vinegars?”.
“How come if we are supposed to be in harmony - you always get the red wine and I don’t always get the salt & vinegars?”.
“Well I have already told you why and that’s called “communication” - again that’s part of the deal.
I talk to you nicely and you talk to me gently and we both listen to each other. Got it?”
“So the deal is - you’re always going to be nice to me and I am going to do what you ask me to do - without question. No questions, ever?”
“You’ve gotta be joking“.
“Well I told you, this CRG is going to be fun - so start laughing”

Barry G

Postcript. Well, it didn’t actually work that way. As has been written elsewhere, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t always make it drink.

    09-08-2009, 07:26 AM

I started a new thread back in Famous Horses entitled "JOE the Wonder Horse". The first post is a full description of him.

An idea I have perhaps fits better under that title.
Of course, this thread about classical riding training continues here.

Barry G
    09-08-2009, 09:42 PM
Barry, I love your writing! Have you ever read My Horses, My Teachers by Alois Podhajsky? Your writing reminds me of that book. Stories that illustrate how wonderful and special our horses are help others who don't understand horse people know why we do what we do. Often I must contend with people trying to prove that horses are simply useless hay-burners. Yes, we horse people risk our lives, spend our savings, and work ourselves into exhaustion for our beloved ones. It may not make sense, it may be crazy, but when I read what you write, I feel united with other horse people! Thanks!! Write more!
    09-08-2009, 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
I say it's about the results not always the methods. We have horses for enjoyment and if giving treats makes it more enjoyable then take advantage of their weaknesses.
I fully agree! This works with children too! My young nephew is going through toilet training. We give him a treat when he poopoos in the potty. I asked my family if we know the long-term ramifications of this conditioning - and my mother replied, "well, it worked for you, so far, right?"
    09-09-2009, 05:39 AM
I've got a copy of The Complete Training of Horse & Rider by Podhajsky but my favourite gurus are Vladimir Littauer & John Richard Young.
Jean Saint -Fort Paillard explains well the meanings of terms used in equitation & Tom Dorrance, if you can follow his writing- starts the mind working. Dorrance was very much a pioneer in what I think of as the enlightened method of handling horses but his book is made up of a series of anecdotes - it is not a text book as such.

Sadly I notice most of the younger generation do not read books and in truth much of what we are rediscovering has been known for a long time.

However I must confess, that my own very skittish mare, Delta (stable nickname DiDi, is teaching me more practical handling than the books did.
She has definitely taken over from where Joe left off. Only yesterday there was an incident which I must write up soon.

    09-09-2009, 11:57 AM
Before I knew who Tom Dorrance was I tried reading his book and gave up on it. Then I saw some video of him on a horse and heard men that I thought were expert horsemen talk about Tom as though he was a mounted god to be reveered. I read it again and it does get the mind going in the right direction and gets you thinking like a horse would want you to think. Ray Hunt wrote a book that is usualy sold next to Tom's that I thought was also pretty good called Think Harmony, but when I hosted a clinic for him last year he wouldn't sell them and he wouldn't autograph any that were brought to him. He said that he didn't like how it turned out wished he hadn't ever put his name on it.
    09-09-2009, 01:27 PM
Kevin, I've not heard of Ray Hunt.
Dorrance , well I vizualize him as one of those old bow legged cowboys talking in a Mid Western drawl. I have to reread the anecdotes to get the point but as he says, if you don't get to know what's going on in the horse's head, then you might as well pass the horse on.

    09-09-2009, 05:26 PM
Tom Dorrance was born and raised on a ranch in Northern California so no mid western accent. Ray Hunt met Tom Dorrance in Nevada in the early 60's and became a bit of a protege'. He also invented the concept of "clinics". There was nothing like that going on until Ray and Tom started doing it. You should look into Ray I think you would like it. He told me once how he had worked for a dressage trainer that would take a glove and drop it into the middle of the arena and have people call out what foot they wanted to step on the glove and he would have that foot step on it. Both Ray and Tom grew up and spent their lives on ranches in the west and drew most of thier experience from that life but they were always willing to expand thier horizons. As we all should be.
    09-09-2009, 10:08 PM
Originally Posted by aynelson    
I fully agree! This works with children too! My young nephew is going through toilet training. We give him a treat when he poopoos in the potty. I asked my family if we know the long-term ramifications of this conditioning - and my mother replied, "well, it worked for you, so far, right?"
I was talking with one of the gals at the barn about using treats to get my gelding to come in from the paddock (he hates working at the indoor arena and stubbornly refuses to walk up with me). I made mention of not wanting to have to bribe him, she pointed out she does it with her kids. Well I had just been commenting on how golden and bright her children were so point taken- out the treats came today and the boy and I had one of our best afternoons yet.

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