I think a lot of people are missing entirely what I am doing with the long rope and the 'sacking out' process. I am 'teaching' the horse that there is nothing to fear and all of the 'perceived scary objects or moves' are actually no threat to his safety.
I, in no way, 'force' a terrified horse to stand tied. Unless a horse is very spoiled and mad from the git-go, they do very little. They seldom set back because I have tied them a lot BEFORE I start sacking out.
Remember my outline for ALL training? Never ask a horse to do anything that he is not ready and able to do!
When I sack a horse out, reactive or not, he is already tying well. I do not approach a horse like I am trying to scare him. I never get right up in a horse's face. I am trying to show him there is nothing to be feared -- I am not trying to see if I can get him to react violently. Any dummy can get a horse to throw a fit. If one goes about it intelligently, you can teach a horse to accept that soft rope everywhere, can teach him to yield to any pressure from this rope and can have each hind foot picked up very quickly. I use 'approach and retreat' for every move the rope or I make. I back off and take all pressure off the instant the horse does the right thing.
Now, if a horse is already very spoiled and already has learned to kick at people, to threaten people, to make people step back away from them, then they may get really mad. This is a safe way to 'outlast' the most spoiled kicker while he is making it hard on himself and the easy thing for him to do is to 'give it up'. You never punish the horse and sure never hit the horse. You just let him decide that fighting is the hard thing to do and standing and 'giving' is the easy thing to do. You never have to do anything that the horse EVER resents.
As for a 'sneaking' around an untrained horse --- yes, there are good farriers (not a whole lot of them) that can sneak around a pretty green and a pretty tough horse and get him trimmed. A lot fewer can get one shod. Shame on you if you think this is the 'ideal' situation and all anyone needs is a better farrier.
It should NOT be the farrier's problem. Around here, most would just pack up their tools and drive off -- and not come back. They are not getting paid to train anyone's horse, unless, of course, that person has actually hired them to take the extra time to train and trim their horse. This is the owner's job. Farriers do not get paid enough to try to trim your rank, spoiled horse.
I have mentioned before that almost all of our shoeing is done by the Oklahoma State Horseshoeing School in Ardmore, OK, 30 miles from home. We keep shoes on 20 to 25 horses at all times. Seven or 8 of them are young, green horses while the others are pretty solid horses. Every young horse that I haul down there for their first shoes must let a student (oftentimes pretty ineptly) take most of a day to get shoes on their feet. They all come home shod and I never get any complaints from the students or the instructors. That is because I 'train' then first.
When I sell a horse, it will stand tied anywhere and let anyone that knows how to handle a horse's feet step up and trim or shoe them. I never want to hand a person the lead-rope and then give them a 'list' of what the handler does and does not have to do to get along with the horse. Every item on a 'list' is a hole in a horse's training. Same was true when I trained for the public. Horses had to go home without a list.
As for 'running a horse around' when it does not do the right thing --- I won't even consider going there. I have had horses that would bolt and run every time they did something wrong because that is what someone did before I got them. Can it work? Sure, on some horses. 'Actual training' always works better. I have seen 'hot-bloods' that could run in circles for 10 miles and still want to grab a foot away and run off. If this is how you 'train' a horse (and I use 'train' very loosely), I hate to see what happens if the horse is lame or has some leg or foot problem that preceded the farrier visit. If I ever encourage a horse to move away from me, you can bet it will be backing up and not running forward.
JMHO on how it works at my house. Cherie