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        05-31-2009, 06:20 AM
      #1
    Green Broke
    Training Pumpkin and Chinga

    Hey.

    As some of you know I am training Pumpkin and doing alot of work re-training my horse Chinga. I posted these three posts on another fourm so I'll post them here as well:

    Well I'm training a pony Pumpkin and training my horse Chinga to jump here is a bit about both horses and there progress so far. I will keep you updated if you like. I will most likely ask alot of questions about training horses

    Pumpkin:

    Pumpkin is a naughty pony who loves to buck and bolt on riders. He can jump amazingly without a rider, and was jumping with a rider 10 years ago. Then Pumpkin was in a paddock with out any other horses and no exersize for around ten years. Pumpkin began to get very bad habbits like attacking people who had his food when they got to the gate and kicking and biting. He would also never lunge just bolt.

    Pumpkin is now getting better with his food and does not "attack" anymore just pushs people around but he is learning. I rode Pumpkin once and he threw me. So I worked with Pumpkin and rode him yesterday. He bolted three times on me but I didn't give up. Pumpkin has potental just needs someone who knows what they are doing. I also had Pumpkin lunging perfectly at a walk,trot and canter. I would love to compete Pumpkin in Show Jumping one day as he has an amazing form over jumps.

    Chinga:
    Chinga is my OTTB who is 8 years old and 15.2 hands. Chinga was perfect when I got him but then when I got him home he began to mis-behave. Backing into trees and doing tiny circles. But I didn't give up on him I worked with him. And soon I had him working perfectly doing everything I asked again.

    But then things turned bad again, he saw a snake and threw me straight over his neck. I was too sore to get back on, and if I could have I would have. Then it rained for three weeks so Chinga wasn't ridden. He got to much energy then and became very naugthy.

    When I got on him for the first time after his three weeks off he would buck and buck and buck. But I pulled him up and circle him every time he bucked. He wouldn't even let me on him without bucking. But three days later. Today. He is back to being a good boy. I am also training Chinga to jump at the moment, he can free jump the hight of two milk creates stacked on top of each other but the highest I have jumped him is one milk create on each side as a cross. Chinga is a lovely horse most the time and willing to learn.

    I am hoping to compete Chinga in Cross Country one day. I would also like to compete him in most of the Western events.


    With Chinga's bucking what I did was every time he bucked I would spin him in a very small circle so he would know I was in control, then when I got to the same spot in our circle that he bucked I would ask him to ride out of it.

    The circle should be so small that his nose is resting gentley on your knee, don't expect this to work the first time with Chinga it took about two goes for him to get the message but I have done it about 20 with Pumpkin and he is only just starting to get the message.

    Do not let the horse stop circling when they want to. Make sure it is when you want to. Also if the horse stops circling half way through the turn hold their head so it is touching your knee. The horse will get sick of this posistion and circle. Make sure you circle both ways so the horse does not become used to the circling in the one direction. If you do not feel confordent riding a horse that bucks ask a more experianced rider to do it for you.

    If a horse bucks when you mount make the horse do a small circle around you. A good idea is to do this in an areana or a place with little grass, other wise you will rip up your grass.

    If a horse is known to buck lunge the horse before your ride, because the horse may have some extra energy they need to get out of them before they ride.


    I just found out I can ride the two horses tommorow, I'm going to work on some low jumps with Chinga and maybe ride Pumpkin again or do some walking around with him. Hopefully Pumpkin won't bolt back to the gate again.

    When I let Pumpkin off the halter into Chinga's paddock once Chinga was out into the other paddock, he galloped laps of the paddock. Jumping a fallen tree branch going nuts. This hopefully got some of the energy out of him.

    I fed Pumpkin tonight in the new paddock and he was rotten, looks like his food training starts again. Pumpkin untill 4 weeks ago when I met him was always fed at the gate and would not let anyone past with food. But soon Pumpkin found out that he had a new routien that he was fed under the trees in a certain spot every time. So everytime he was fed in his old paddock he would go to that spot. But now he is in the other paddock he is unsure of where to go to be fed.
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    Sorry for the book:)
         
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        05-31-2009, 11:46 AM
      #2
    Showing
    Keep up the good work. Sounds like it is a slow process at the moment but you will get there. Stay safe, You must be young to handle the bucking stuff. I'm afraid I would break a lot easier
         
        05-31-2009, 12:32 PM
      #3
    Trained
    Hmm... sounds like your going about things in a productive manner. =]

    I just have a few things. Are you sure both horses and perfectly healthy and sound? The bucking and bolting of both horses could be caused by pain in the back or legs. If their teeth are in bad shape, it could cause the bad behavior too. And just because Chinga has a few good days in the midst of bad days doesn't rule out pain. He could just be feeling a little better.

    Some horses simply can't go weeks without working. Even if it's raining, you can try and lunge him a bit just to keep him stimulated. You don't have to canter if it's too slippery, but he can trot around in the rain. That way, it won't be too bad when you are able to get on again.

    And for both horses, if you can correct them for the undesired behavior, bolting and bucking respectively, BEFORE they actually do it, it will help tons. For example, if you feel that Chinga is about to buck, change what your doing by transitioning up or down, circles [not necessarily little ones,] a leg yield, a haunches in, just get his mind on something other than bucking. Same with Pumpkin, if you feel him getting ready to bolt, do a circle, transition, turn around and go the other way. I would save the itty bitty circles for when they actually do the behavior your trying to break, otherwise make the circles nice and comfortable.
         
        05-31-2009, 08:13 PM
      #4
    Trained
    Quote:
    Do not let the horse stop circling when they want to. Make sure it is when you want to. Also if the horse stops circling half way through the turn hold their head so it is touching your knee. The horse will get sick of this posistion and circle.
    What your talking about sounds like the one rein stop. The point of this is to stop, hence the name. Why do you keep them circling when they have already stoppped the bad behaviour? I think a more productive methid would be to do the one rein stop, (therefore disengaging the hindquarters) and then ride forward again. Each time he bucks, disengage and ride forward.
         
        06-01-2009, 02:24 AM
      #5
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wild_spot    

    What your talking about sounds like the one rein stop. The point of this is to stop, hence the name. Why do you keep them circling when they have already stoppped the bad behaviour? I think a more productive methid would be to do the one rein stop, (therefore disengaging the hindquarters) and then ride forward again. Each time he bucks, disengage and ride forward.

    I was told this is done so the horse knows that I am in control.

    Also I try to do it before they bolt/buck but sometimes they are un predictable. Chinga was checked by a vet twice and Pumpkin has once. Also Chinga had his teeth done before he came down here so around 1 and a half months ago and Pumpkin had his down 3 weeks ago.

    No riding or working with the horses today....stupid rain. But hopefully tommorow!
         
        06-01-2009, 03:01 AM
      #6
    Yearling
    When a horse bolts it is a difficult situation - it depends on why is he doing it.
    If he is bolting because of fear or pain then the cause needs to be addressed.
    If however he is being naughty then a different approch might work.
    I know this is not normal and many would argue that it is dangerous - and I would agree with them but I am talking about someone elses experiances with this problem.
    They took their bad boy into a huge ( and I mean about 50 acres ) field and when the pony bolted with them they let the pony run and run and run - when the pony ran out of puff - they made the pony run more . They only had to do this a couple of times and the pony in question soon found out that it was a bad idea . Previously the pony had found out that bolting was the fastest way he could stop being ridden.
    As I have said it is a different method and is definitely not for everyone.
         
        06-01-2009, 03:21 AM
      #7
    Green Broke
    Thanks, Nutty Saddler. I will discusse this way of dealing with the problem and see what they think of it. He is bolting because he is being naughty. I just went down to see him and Chinga. Chinga is very good and cuddley. Pumpkin attempted to bold me over at the gate when I came in with his dinner he soon learnt this was a bad idea. As I walked in and out of the paddock with his food around 20 times till he stopped doing it.
         
        06-01-2009, 03:24 AM
      #8
    Yearling
    Be very careful
    The field used was fenced , flat and had no hazards - also the rider in question was very , very experianced
         
        06-01-2009, 03:32 AM
      #9
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nutty Saddler    
    Be very careful
    The field used was fenced , flat and had no hazards - also the rider in question was very , very experianced
    Its a fenced paddock, but some parts are not flat and there are quite a few trees in some places. So I dought I will do it.
         
        06-03-2009, 07:28 AM
      #10
    Green Broke
    Here are a few more updates I posted on another fourm and not here:


    I'm so exited I am having a camp out with Chinga, Pumpkin and Jahla (Pumpkins owner) it is going to be great!

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    went down to give them breckfast this morning and I couldn't find Chinga. So I went in and got his food bucket (knowing he would come over when he saw food).

    When I was on the way out the gate with his bucket. He let out a big lovely nicker. Gee.... Freaked my sister out.

    Then I realised he had mud everywhere. He rolled in the mud. What was he thinking?

    It was all through his tail. Mane and legs. Mind you two days before I had washed his tail and mane for a whole hour. Plus the rest of his body!

    Chinga*thinking*: Hmm look there is a mud puddle lets go roll in it.

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    This afternoon if I manage to get though Chinga's mud I am hoping to take Chinga for a quick ride and give Pumpkin a lunge.

    One day till I have my friends coming from Sydney to have a look at Chinga and I :ekk:

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    Hey!

    Heres my newest update! Well today I brushed Chinga (I usually do this everyday) The mud was everywhere! I knew there was alot of mud but there was tonnes!

    Our friends are coming up tommorow to watch Chinga and I! Wish us luck! I'll upload some photos tommorow *internet being slow.*

    Well in the summer here the sun comes up at four AM and I am hoping to start riding Chinga, in the mornings around 5 AM. Great!

    I did some work with Pumpkin just lunging him. He bolted twice so I just brung my lunging whip out in his paddock in the end and watched him bolt aroud the paddock, jumping logs and galloping! He created more work for himself.

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    Heres the link, If the image doesn't work: http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9...inletsplay.jpg

    I managed to upload it tonight, I will upload one of Pumpkin in the morning. This was taken two weeks ago. Meet my boy Chinga.

    *Some of these posts are from differant days*
         

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