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        03-12-2013, 10:37 PM
      #11
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
    You need to get this horse's respect on the ground before you attempt to sit on her. She is going nothing but disrespecting you. Get bossy.

    Clinton Anderson is good. I'm not an NH freak but he has a similar training style to myself which is why I like him. He doesn't take any crap from horses.

    Downunder Horsemanship TV

    You can watch the show there, which is a start.

    You can do the groundwork and make him focus. It's amazing how fast groundwork can fix problems.

    If he tries to buck, don't be afraid to jump off and get AFTER him! I've jumped off my mare on multiple occasions when I felt I was in danger. Not only do you get off their backs, but it scares the sh*t out of them when suddenly you're off and flying at them mach 5. Chase their hip around, chase them sideways, back up, MOVE. Don't do a half-a** attempt at jumping at them. I mean RUN and if you aren't panting hard, you're doing it wrong.
    Ponies are a like a different breed all themselves...if this was a horse, I would totally agree, but ponies just tend to act like brats on the ground.
    My previous trainer has a 12.1 Welsh pony who is a total monster; no one was allowed to ride her and she was banned from shows. She would buck, spin and bolt, refuse jumps, etc. My trainer needed someone to put some miles on her since she was just sitting in the pasture, so I started working with her. I'd flat her 3-4 days a week and jump her 1 or 2 days a week. The first couple months were a little rough, but nothing terrible; she threw me a few times spinning and bolting but for the most part was pretty good. I ended up riding her for about a year, and we were the greatest pair. She stopped spooking so badly and NEVER refused a jump for me after a couple months. In fact, she would jump anything I put in her way. Even to this day, though, on the ground she will kick at me and bite me. That's just who she is. She has complete respect for me under saddle, but is still a monster on the ground.
         
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        03-12-2013, 10:50 PM
      #12
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by JustImagine    
    Even to this day, though, on the ground she will kick at me and bite me. That's just who she is. She has complete respect for me under saddle, but is still a monster on the ground.
    That might well be 'just who she is' but it's not at all 'who ponies are' IME. And I wonder, what sort & how much training did you put into her ground 'manners' compared to riding?
         
        03-12-2013, 11:00 PM
      #13
    Foal
    I think you will be fine on her. Im around the same and I ride a 13 hand Morgan cross pony for gaming and a 12 hand pony in lessons.

    All horses/ponies can be brats sometimes, I personally don't think one is more over the other. I would do a lot of ground work before you get in the saddle. A horse or pony who doesnt respect you on the ground most likely isnt going to respect you in the saddle.
         
        03-12-2013, 11:01 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by loosie    
    That might well be 'just who she is' but it's not at all 'who ponies are' IME. And I wonder, what sort & how much training did you put into her ground 'manners' compared to riding?
    I've worked with quite a few ponies, and a few are as nice as can be but a lot of them are just sassy little things.
    I put quite a deal of ground work into her, as did my previous trainer. She's had the pony for years. I can let her loose in the arena, and she'll lunge w/t/c in a circle around me. She'll follow me on her own and even trot next to me. The biting and kicking is just something we were never really to work out of her, to some extent.
         
        03-13-2013, 12:50 AM
      #15
    Green Broke
    I supported three kids riding small horses and ponies while in college.

    Be small and ride the sons of guns. Let them know that manners are non-negotiable. There is no wiggle room for a pony, IMO. If the rider screws up on cues they have to be trained to err on the side of slow and steady versus "you're blowing my mind."

    If they retaliate with misbehavior, like the biting and kicking, I go banshee on them. They will think I've morphed into a cougar on their back, ready to kill. It has never happened more than twice for each one.

    I consider it a huge responsibility to school a pony or small horse for a child or small beginning adult. That may be their first chance to get hooked on horses for a lifetime of growing along the path of horse ownership. It must, must be a good experience.
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        03-13-2013, 03:12 AM
      #16
    Super Moderator
    I will not tollerate biting and kicking in any horse or pony! End of.

    As a child I rode at a very good riding school. My parents could only afford for me to ride once every other week and the same for my sister. I still went every week and worked my butt off.
    I had no fear and would ride anything. Many times there were ponies in to 'sorting out' problems. One of these was a 13 hand bay, a pretty pony that bucked. Nothing wrong with him, he had learned to avoid work.
    Several of the older riders were put up on him and got fed up with being dropped. I would watch from the side of the arena and longed to have a chance. That came when others disappeared when he was due to be worked. I got on him and as soon as he trotted once around the arena he bucked me off. I held my reins and got back on.
    I must have come off him over thirty times in the space of a couple of hours. Each time I just clambered on and kicked him forward. I learned that when he bucked to grab the front of the saddle, lean back, shove my feet forward and hang on and keep kicking when I could. I the end he just gave up. I was trotting and cantering him with no problem. Next day, he tried bucking when I first got on and I stuck on top and that basically was the end of him being a little devil.
    I owe that pony a lot. I learned how to wear them down, I learned when I could hang on and when to let go. I learned how to land on my feet running, how to ride a buck and how to be calm and persistent.
    Most of all it made the chief instructor realise that I was never going to give up no matter what and this made me the child who, when there was a naughty pony, the one picked to ride them. This meant free rides and I never cared what happened if it was a free ride!

    I rode rearers, buckers, run aways big and small. Loved it. Sure I got hurt and took some hard falls, but, I was so determined or perhaps insane, that it never deterred me.

    I agree that ponies should be safe for children and in the UK there is a large diversity of ponies to pick. Majority are fine the odd ones can be 'characters' mostly because they have learned how to get away with things. If there is an adult to correct them and not necessarily by riding them, then they are soon kept in line.

    I could not begin to count the number of ponies I have had contact with over the years it would run to several hundreds, the ones that stick in my mind are those that started 'bad' and ended good.
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        03-13-2013, 07:13 AM
      #17
    Weanling
    Don't think I let her get away with biting and kicking unschooled. That's one of the major reasons she's never ridden, and has never been able to sell. I'd school her for it every time she'd bite or kick, and so would my previous trainer. Nothing we did would work, though, she just never stopped.
         
        03-13-2013, 01:50 PM
      #18
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustImagine    
    Don't think I let her get away with biting and kicking unschooled. That's one of the major reasons she's never ridden, and has never been able to sell. I'd school her for it every time she'd bite or kick, and so would my previous trainer. Nothing we did would work, though, she just never stopped.
    Then the corrections were not correct or hard enough.

    Another pony that came to me with his 7 year old rider Tony, another Welshman, I was told the kiddie could only ride him in the arena and the pony must never be turned out because he attacked when someone tried to catch him.
    I refuse to keep small ponies in 24/7 so, he was turned out and although he threatened to go for any adult catching him and could be difficult to catch, he never followed through.
    Then one day some of the older kids went to catch the ponies and came to say Tony was chasing them out of the field.
    I took his halter and told them they were all feeble and marched into the field to catch him.
    He was grazing away from the other ponies but was ears pricked and watching me. I was about 10 yards from him when his head came up, ears went back and he charged, meaningfully.
    I wrapped the halter around his head equally as spitefully as he was being to me.
    He turned away and went about 50 yards across the filed. I marched towards him when this time he spun around and was running backwards to me. Again I wrapped the halter around his back legs this time and he shot forward. As it happened so the head strap wrapped around his back leg and caught so when he shot off I had to let go of the rope.
    I marched towards him for the third time and the little beggar decided to have a third go and I was defenceless! As he ran back towards me I could see all the kids watching. He was nearly in range when I realised that my legs were longer than his so, before he went to double barrel me I kicked hard catching him above the hock hard. He shot forward on three legs. I picked up the halter and as I neared him so he turned, walked towards me and dived his nose into the halter.
    Never any problem to catch again!

    This can be typical of ponies, many will take advantage of smaller children but, as long as they know there is someone to put them in their place, then they are great.
         
        03-13-2013, 08:13 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
    Then the corrections were not correct or hard enough.

    Another pony that came to me with his 7 year old rider Tony, another Welshman, I was told the kiddie could only ride him in the arena and the pony must never be turned out because he attacked when someone tried to catch him.
    I refuse to keep small ponies in 24/7 so, he was turned out and although he threatened to go for any adult catching him and could be difficult to catch, he never followed through.
    Then one day some of the older kids went to catch the ponies and came to say Tony was chasing them out of the field.
    I took his halter and told them they were all feeble and marched into the field to catch him.
    He was grazing away from the other ponies but was ears pricked and watching me. I was about 10 yards from him when his head came up, ears went back and he charged, meaningfully.
    I wrapped the halter around his head equally as spitefully as he was being to me.
    He turned away and went about 50 yards across the filed. I marched towards him when this time he spun around and was running backwards to me. Again I wrapped the halter around his back legs this time and he shot forward. As it happened so the head strap wrapped around his back leg and caught so when he shot off I had to let go of the rope.
    I marched towards him for the third time and the little beggar decided to have a third go and I was defenceless! As he ran back towards me I could see all the kids watching. He was nearly in range when I realised that my legs were longer than his so, before he went to double barrel me I kicked hard catching him above the hock hard. He shot forward on three legs. I picked up the halter and as I neared him so he turned, walked towards me and dived his nose into the halter.
    Never any problem to catch again!

    This can be typical of ponies, many will take advantage of smaller children but, as long as they know there is someone to put them in their place, then they are great.
    Of course not. How could I ever possibly do anything correctly when I am ever constantly having the people on this forum telling me I'm doing everything wrong?
         
        03-13-2013, 08:35 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Ok, here's her deal, and where we are at....

    Before me, she was a "stall" pony first, then her second person had her spending all her time "hanging out" in a field with 1 other horse. (the first one was a "daughter's present" and the second just didn't have time for her.)

    We have spent the last year doing ground work, just about every day. Between anyone else in my family (little kids excluded) I'm the one she obeys the best. Everyone else REALLY pushes to get her to lunge, or back up, but her and I have a good understanding there, and she does it, knows what I want, no questions asked.

    She has a regular vet, and has been ok'd for all her health. Good joints, limbs, teeth, every thing looks good.

    I've leaned on her before with out fuss, it was the full mounting that she didn't want. She didn't "buck" much, per-say..... Her common thing was to do a full body shake (like when they are shaking dirt off) and spin, in a circle, really fast..... The last thing she tried was to squish my leg against the wall.....

    I gave her yesterday just doing ground work, and today, it was much better. A little twitchy when I first got on, but after a moment, she was just standing.... So, we walked the circle a few times, back and forth, and I thought that was good for the day.... Gave her a good brushing, and an alfalfa cube, and called that a day.

    I think her problem is learning and remembering......you may way 5X as much as me, but I can still take you! I've started my younger brother doing ground work with her too. So she learns that he can take her, just as well as I can...


    Ofcourse, she knows NOTHING..... So, some nice short times showing her what's what, and that it's all the same, from ground to back... Move the hip, forward, move the shoulder, etc..... We are moving forward.
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