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    02-01-2012, 06:01 PM
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Training a stallion to show halter...

Some friends of mine own a coming 8 year old stallion. He was shown in halter as a weanling and yearling. Then his owner went into the Marines and was deployed to Iraq. He's now back and wants me to show the stallion halter. I'll also be barrel racing him. We'll be doing speed events mainly but would like the option to show halter too.

He's not a difficult stallion. Has great ground manners and is really really sweet. Wonderful disposition. Super easy to ride. The mares he's grown up with have taught him well.

He is trail ridden with mares and geldings without issues. Maybe one or two calls, a few nickers but he's super well behaved. My mare was actually worse then him, she is a hussy and started backing towards him and he didn't even give her a second look.

My question is, I'm absolutely positive that his...ummm...male part is going to come out while in the show ring. Standing before a judge like that isn't flattering so what do you do to train them to not have that happen? I've heard of people using Vicks to cover the scent of mares but I'd like to know if any of you that own stallions, have any tricks up your sleeve to prevent this, or make it go away quickly.

If he lets it "hang loose" during riding, I turn him in circles and trot him away from the group and he puts it away. He learned very quickly that way that it's not to come out while he's being ridden.
     
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    02-01-2012, 07:31 PM
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This horse is not well-mannered enough for you to show and you are probably going to encounter problems under saddle and in hand as spring gets closer.

First of all, is there a really good reason he is still a stallion? Does his owner have a need for a stallion?

I have owned stallions for some 45 years or more. I only have one now, an 11 year old that we use for breeding. He has AQHA points and has point earning foals here, in Europe and in the UK. He has a job and he SHOULD be a stallion. Very few horses should.

If you have a horse that is exposing himself, you need to get after him hard enough that he stops it. This is vital under saddle and in hand. DO NOT show him until you know you can keep him 'decent'.

I can get our stallion out and if he even looks toward a mare, I can say one "Ah!" and he ducks his head and watches me. He only thinks about mares when we put on his breeding halter and head toward the mare stocks. The rest of the time he acts like a gelding. That is how they HAVE to be if you are going to stay out of trouble with them.

You cannot take a stallion out and ride him or lead him around if he whinnies or squeals or acts like a stud. You just can't.

Generally speaking, if a person has to ask what to do with a stallion, they don't need one.
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    02-01-2012, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
This horse is not well-mannered enough for you to show and you are probably going to encounter problems under saddle and in hand as spring gets closer.

First of all, is there a really good reason he is still a stallion? Does his owner have a need for a stallion?

I have owned stallions for some 45 years or more. I only have one now, an 11 year old that we use for breeding. He has AQHA points and has point earning foals here, in Europe and in the UK. He has a job and he SHOULD be a stallion. Very few horses should.

If you have a horse that is exposing himself, you need to get after him hard enough that he stops it. This is vital under saddle and in hand. DO NOT show him until you know you can keep him 'decent'.

I can get our stallion out and if he even looks toward a mare, I can say one "Ah!" and he ducks his head and watches me. He only thinks about mares when we put on his breeding halter and head toward the mare stocks. The rest of the time he acts like a gelding. That is how they HAVE to be if you are going to stay out of trouble with them.

You cannot take a stallion out and ride him or lead him around if he whinnies or squeals or acts like a stud. You just can't.

Generally speaking, if a person has to ask what to do with a stallion, they don't need one.
I'm not his owner so I'm not going to get into real detail why he's still a stallion. He's got an amazing pedigree. His original breeder races down in Indiana and this stallion is out of a top producing broodmare in the AQHA racing industry. He's never made it to the track but his foals will be. He only has a few on the ground now. But like I said, The reason's are their's, not mine.

They want to put a legitimate show record under him which is why I started this thread. He's double registered AQHA and ABRA and they plan on taking him to both types of shows.

He acts like a gelding most of the time. Like I said, he isn't hard to handle, or ride. I was just curious on the tactics some people use to make them put it away. He hasn't been in the show ring since he was a yearling so like I said, I just want to be prepared. He could be a perfect gentleman or he could act like an ass. But the way he acts around horses he doesn't know that we trail ride with, I don't imagine we'll have much of an issue.

My friend who shows pleasure has a gelding that is so relaxed in the ring that he just lets it all hang out. And he's calm as can be. That's why I was asking. No necessarily asking about how to deal with his attitude, but if it just happens to come out. My old gelding used to do it too.

My friend takes the lead and whacks it back up. Which I think is a little mean, but it works for her.
     
    02-02-2012, 08:55 AM
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That's not more than he needs. For a stud, that is not mean. He probably need more than that since that has been ineffective. You have to get pretty rough on some studs because testosterone can be a HUGE motivator for them. ALL stallions can be aggressive. That is natural. ALL stallion want to 'play' breeding horse when they get out and around other horses. They just have to respect their handler / rider enough act like a gelding instead.

I generally back one up roughly -- with a stud chain over his nose if need be -- until he gets decent. If, what you (or his owner) is doing, is not working, then it is time to get a new program in place. I have had spoiled studs come in to me to manner and I had to tie them to a solid tie place with a chain under their upper lip. Then I had a second person bring a mare close to him and I 'worked him over' with a stud chain under his upper lip until he ducked his head down and shut up and got decent. Obviously, it is much better to manner one correctly and not have to deal with a badly spoiled one.

You do not have to treat every stud this way, but spoiled ones can be dangerous. The one you are handling is not that spoiled -- yet -- but I have taken on several that have charged and hurt people. I have had 3 brought to me that nearly killed people and put them in the hospital for weeks and they never completely recovered. Two of them maimed their owners and nearly killed them.

Studs can come in that just grunt or talk a little or they can charge a handler like the one in the movie "Buck'. Whatever they do wrong, they cannot be taken out in public until they are under control.

The other reason I said 'geld or stay home' is because of the special liability that comes with riding or handling a stallion. The handler and the owner are 100% responsible for the actions of a stallion -- no matter how stupid some mare or other horse owner is in putting themselves in harm's way. You are 100% responsible even if the other person was the stupid one. So, until he acts like a gelding 100% of the time, you should not take him out in public.
     
    02-02-2012, 01:59 PM
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I also have some doubt that a race bred stallion could even be competitive in a halter class. Race bred horses generally show a lot of Thourobred and most halter bred QH look like 16 hand hampshire hogs! I have no idea what ABRA is.
     
    02-14-2012, 06:58 AM
  #6
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I know what this girl is talking about. You like this guy so much you want the world to see him. In fact the stallion really doesn't have to do anything. If he is trainable, and not mean. All he has to do is breed. Especially if he has not been worked with for quit sometime. Take one of his off spring and start with that. This is promoting your stallion. I just purchased an 11 year old Arabian Stallion that had just been a pet. He was left in the pasture for years. Never bred a mare. I put him through 8 months of pro training . He now has ground manners and I can ride him. But would never take him into a show ring. This takes many years to get him to act like a respectful citizen. The other thing you can do is send him to a trainer who is going to train him and handle him several times in the ring. There is alot of liability in breing out a Stallion.
     
    02-14-2012, 10:30 AM
  #7
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When I was training my stallion for halter we would purposfuly set it up with some mares so it was like a ring atmosphere. If he dropped you pinch the inside of his lip and he puts it away super fast. Or give him a thwap with the rope. Either one is very effective. Good idea to work on it before you go to the show :) good luck!!
     
    02-14-2012, 02:30 PM
  #8
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Hey thanks guys. I kinda forgot about this thread.

It's not really a matter of being competitive in the halter ring. I know what a halter horse looks like, and he's not it. The halter classes would be more for local shows as opposed to breed shows. (ABRA is American Buckskin Horse Registry) We'd be running at those bigger shows because that's where he'd earn points as opposed to halter.

He actually doesn't even look like he has Thoroughbred in him. He's been worked with for almost a year now and has been doing so good. His owners do a great job with their horses, all are super respectful.

Since he hasn't been shown since he was a yearling, this was more of a hypothetical thread of what happens if his stuff hangs out. How do I make it go away without spinning him in circles in the arena. We aren't going to know what happens until we try, so I can't even say for sure that that's what would happen. You know? There's the definite possibility but I'd rather have options on what to do as opposed to allowing him to act like that.

We'll be starting at local shows this year for the exposure and experience. He's ridding with other geldings and mares and is really good. The local shows around here are really relaxed and have a great atmosphere. His owners are really well known for their great horses around here. They clean up at shows. Their truck and trailer pulls in and you can hear people groan and mumble that they won't be placing very well. LoL.

He does have a nice coming 2 year old gelding that they want me to show too. He's to most laid back, calm, respectful, intelligent horse. Going to be super easy to saddle break as soon as they get the okay from the vet. And they have 1 baby due next month out of him that they will be hauling to shows with it's dam.

We'll see how it goes. If he misbehaves at all, I know for a fact that they'll be hauling him home. I'm the type of person that doesn't take any crap from horses so he works really well for me. He seems to be more of a ladies mount then a guys mount too. He is super eager to please. :)
     

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