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        09-08-2009, 11:40 AM
    Why^? They don't speak english. It's like with dogs, I say "oh what a big dum dum you are!" in a lovey voice and they go estactic, but say "you are the best dog ever" in a threatning voice and you would think I was beating them
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        09-08-2009, 04:16 PM
    Ah but Eldorado's mistress HJ does speak English and she is the one we are primarily trying to help.

    Eldorado gets his reward later when he is not frightened of jumping a 1ft high fence.

    Barry G
        09-08-2009, 04:27 PM
    I still don't get it. Why can't you say outrtageous to a horse? They don't know what it means
        09-08-2009, 04:27 PM
    But what about your hands - are you absolutely sure you don't jab on his mouth when you are over the jump??
    Do you jerk him as you take off?
    Are you riding him on contact or on loose reins?
    How solid is your seating position?
    Does the saddle fit properly?

    And do you get angry??
    Arabs as a breed are intelligent and sometimes cussed.
    He will pick up on your anger - and as for whips --oh - never.

    If he was jumping before for the previous owner, and if of course he/she was telling the truth, then perhaps the problem lies with his relationship with you - or rather yours with him.

    I already tried to make the OP aware that 99% of refusals is rider error and she chooses not to see that.

    99% of errors that occur while jumping, lays on the riders shoulders. Not the horse.
        09-08-2009, 04:28 PM
    Some horses are smarter than just responding to lovey voices. I have met plenty of horses that know exactly when you're insulting them. Sometimes it's trigger words (i met a gelding who would buck if you told him he was being a brat) and sometimes I think they are just smarter than you give them credit for.

    But I agree with Barry G. Eldorado's rider has to hear the good words too otherwise we're planting bad things in her mind to pass on to him.
        09-08-2009, 04:33 PM
    Do not discredit the intelligence of animals. Just because they cannot speak in our tongue with theirs, does not mean they cannot understand us.

    In all reality, it is us Human Kind who cannot understand the Animal Kind.
        09-08-2009, 04:36 PM
    I still don't think they can understand words (unless they are commonly used words like "dinner" "trot") Maybe I'm just used to my "not the sharpest crayonn in the box" horse. But even a smart horse doesn't speak english. A positive body language and tone means more then a negative word
        09-08-2009, 04:39 PM
    Maybe not verbally to you.

    Every horse is at a different level of communication. Of course they are solid amongst one another, with their own language, but they talk amongst themselves all the time.

    To people, those who have the gift, get different variations of communication.

    Some horses express themselves to those who are willing to stop, pause and listen - through emotions and pictures. Others, are very verbal in our enlish language.
        09-08-2009, 06:01 PM
    Just going along with the train of thought, we also must remember that some horses can't tell us how they feel because they are afraid/unconfident. They don't feel safe communicating to us. It's our job to ALWAYS have the horse trust us.
        09-08-2009, 06:12 PM
    All I was trying to say, was that if HJ got round to saying nice things to her horse, in any language she chose, then just maybe she might get to like him more. Talking helps her.
    But she has to use a calm, even gentle, tone of voice, when talking.
    Then maybe if Eldorado felt HJ liked him, then he might be more cooperative.

    Talking to a horse from a horse's point of view might well be a waste of time, but it can be a good thing for the rider. To a nervous horse, a rider's hand on its mane means more than a dozen words.

    As has been said, the more important thing is to work out what the horse is saying back to the rider. If it is indeed rearing, as well as refusing to jump a tiny obstacle, then whatever the horse is saying - it is not complimentary to the rider - in any language of communication.

    Only HJ can put this right. All we can do over the internet is to give her ideas as to what to do. My suggestion is that if she pays more attention to communication from the horse, she might find out why he is not cooperating. If she talks to him, he might 'communicate' back to her.

    But she wrote "outrageous" - it is a clue to what HJ is thinking, ie "How dare he disobey".

    She doesn't want a fight, she seeks cooperation.
    So what has she got to do to get it? Only HJ can work that out.

    Barry G

    HJ - I am trying to help and it is not my intention to offend - it is my impression from what you have told us over the computor, that Eldorado is really upset by something and you have to find out why.
    There will be other problems down the line, so solving this problem is just the beginning of your making a relationship with Eldorado.

    arabian, dominant issue, jumping, refusing jump, training

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