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        06-21-2013, 01:02 PM
      #1
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    Training tips for this buckskin?

    This is my friend's horse and he was started in reining...very poorly actually. Could you please give us tips? I was riding him in a saddle that was poorly fitting to me, and I think it was a hackamore that they were riding him in. I told them no to anymore because he doesn't respond quite right in it.

    Critique me and him please.

    He has problems with picking up the correct lead. PLEASE excuse my out of shapeness!!


         
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        06-22-2013, 09:10 PM
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    Foal
    First off in his beginning "pivots" he isn't even pivoting. He is planting his front end and moving his hind end around while tossing his head. You as the rider are squeezing both legs when in fact you should be using your outside leg to push him off.

    The large circle you made first, going to the left, the horse isn't on his correct lead and everything you allow him to move incorrectly it is becoming muscle memory to him and he is learning to move wrong which in turn can be damaging and straining on his body.

    The circle you made going to the right, the horse picked up on the correct lead right away. You need to get his nose and use your legs to MAKE that horse move out on the correct lead EVERY TIME.

    Go to about 3:50 in the video and watch, when he breaks down into a trot and then is asked again to lope he DOES in fact go into his left lead, so he very capable of it he just needs to be asked to do it.

    As for your riding it was difficult for me to really see due to the video being shot from too far away the majority of the time.

    The hackamore issue really hard for me to tell from the video if he would benefit or not from the use of a bit. He seems broke enough but just needs the rider to give him the correct cues and push him into what he needs to do.
         
        06-22-2013, 09:27 PM
      #3
    Trained
    How much reining training has he had? 30 days or months or years? Makes a HUGE difference.

    Honestly-if you want to have this horse utilize his reining training-I would go back and at the VERY MINIMUM talk to the trainer who trained him. Depending on how much reining training this horse has.....but I am willing to bet that the first thing that is wrong is that the people riding him have no clue how to ride a reiner. I would suggest you learn the cues.

    I found this frustrating to watch for the poor horse-honestly, and can't imagine how he feels if he somewhat knows what he is doing. Just as an example-when you go to spin him in the very beginning, you are hauling him around. That will never work. Talk to the trainer, find out what they would ride him in as far as a bit, and hopefully get some reining lessons if that is what you want to do.
         
        06-22-2013, 09:39 PM
      #4
    Weanling
    I don't have much to add to what was previously said except this:

    For spins, first make sure he can do a haunch turn on the ground. Much of reining should be taught showmanship style from the ground. Ie move should over, side pass, move hip over, back, move individual feet, etc. Once he can effectively haunch turn on the ground, you can begin mounted. Think of the horse this way: he is broken into three boxes. The first box is around his head, neck, and shoulder. The next is his belly, right under your leg. The last box is his hip and butt. For a spin, you need the last box to stay put while the front box moves over. Take your inside leg completely off of him, move your outside leg forward toward the girth (as if asking for a haunch turn), and bump his shoulder over with your leg and rein. Start slow and ask for one step at a time. Eventually, when you're sure he's moving the shoulder over, you can ask for more steps.

    Also practice getting him to forehand turn and sidepass from the ground. Then you can translate to mounted the same way: forehand turn, tip his nose in a bit to the inside, and move your leg back to bump his hind end over. It's all about training to move away from pressure.

    In regards to the correct lead, do one thing at a time. Your spins seemed frantic and disorganized, and the canter echoed that. Ask for the lope, and if he picks up the wrong lead, bring him back down and try again. Asking for the lope on a circle while exaggeratedly leaning into it may help encourage him to pick up the correct lead. Also having control over where his hips and shoulder are will help you be able to position him. To move correctly at a lope around a circle, technically his hip should be to the inside of the circle and his shoulder should be tracking on it, so that he is essentially (at least to start) moving diagonally around the circle. Watch some videos of pro reiners asking their horse to begin the lope from the middle (usually after a spin). You will see them pick their horse's shoulder up, move them so their inside front leg and outside hind leg are on the circle path, and then depart. Eventually the horse "straightens out" onto the circle as it has picked up the correct lead and is traveling along the curve.

    Sorry to ramble. Hope that helps some :)

    Great example of Shawn Flarida and Spooks Gotta Whiz. Skip to about 1:25 and watch how he moves his hip in to begin a right-lead circle.

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        06-22-2013, 11:28 PM
      #5
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    You need to work on basic horsemanship before you attempt turn-arounds. A horse must be collected, have a good head position and have good body control before you attempt to force one to do a turn-around -- same thing as a pivot or a spin. This poor horse is just swapping ends and changing direction.

    No horse (or rider) can do any of the more advanced maneuvers until they can lope good small slow and big fast circles, can do good collected lead departures, keep a good head position (not raising their head and showing 'resistance'). Learn how to do good lead departures and know what lead you are in the very first step a horse takes in a lead. This is so basic, that you cannot get anything done beyond that until you know what lead you are in immediately.
         
        06-22-2013, 11:39 PM
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    Trained
    What an amazing ride on that Spooks Gotta Whiz! Holy Moly!
         
        06-22-2013, 11:54 PM
      #7
    Banned
    Tip for your spins- your horse is backing up because he's not getting any relief from the pressure you're putting on him-- and he needs more forward drive.

    You can start by walking a straight line then make him trot out (turn one or two steps) then remove the pressure and keep going straight- repeat. Etcetra..till he's soft then get to working the other side- this will make him more responsive. You can slowly add more steps (turns- not whole turns) in once he's got this down.


    For your slide stops- he needs to know how to back good first! Always take your legs off when you're not asking him to drive forward.
    When I teach the backing I always kick my legs out straight the whole back up (pushing my hips forward) and when I want the horse to speed it up I kick the shoulders. Once he's got this down- you put it to the stop by stopping him then backing him up quick right after the stop kick your legs out like you're backing and push your hips forward too- remember to kick the shoulders- don't be so stiff but don't be too soft either- just kinda plant yourself down in the seat but be able to move with him when he's sliding.
         

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