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    11-15-2012, 10:40 AM
  #11
Weanling
My son riding...Now you have me thinking I need to re-check my saddle.
It does look like it slid back a bit in these pictures..
I ride w/a martingale.
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    11-15-2012, 10:45 AM
  #12
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Charley horse    
Picture of my husband riding.."I think he was riding w/a tight rein" -he always has.
Looking at this.. your husband has the same exact stance ON the horse as the horse has under him. Look at the tension.. he is leaning forward and his back is tense and hollow and he is clenching the reins... and his legs are two far forward while his butt is flat weight in the saddle.

The horse under him also is clenching his back, gaping his mouth and raising his head in response to the stiff rider.

The rider looks as tho he is afraid the horse will take off.. and the horse is acting like he is afraid that he may NEED to take off because the rider is so tense!

In the second photo the horse is doing better.. but only because the reins are loose... not because the rider is really working with the horse.

Neither is an example of what Mbaron5731 describes.

Nice horse BTW.
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    11-15-2012, 10:49 AM
  #13
Green Broke
Now I am looking at your son in the saddle.. again.. he needs to move his butt forward and his heels down (maybe lengthen the stirrup a notch) and sit up straight.. look where he wants to go and not down at the horse (ok.. he is looking at the horse's ears.. but at the horse, not where he wants to go). Soften the small of this back and get his shoulder back some.

Lower and soften his hands too as part of sitting up straight. Weight more in the heels and balls of the feet.. a little less flat on the horse's back.

Again.. I like this horse. ;)

Horse does not need a martingale.
     
    11-15-2012, 11:03 AM
  #14
Started
I completely agree with all that's been said - but I think it's tough for us women to critique men's riding. Their riding style is clearly affecting the horse's way of moving - but almost all my male students, the moment they get on a horse they land in that position. The 'Chair seat'. It's much more comfortable for men. So either the men need to learn to ride a little more forward or they need a horse who can do well with a chair seat type rider (a big QH or other strong backed horse).
Your horse is precious, but doesn't have a great deal of back muscle and would do best with a rider who can get off her back while she's trying to move. She may be able to handle it more when she's built up her topline.
It looks like she's doing well with a relaxed rider who won't impede her movement. :)
     
    11-15-2012, 11:06 AM
  #15
Weanling
I love your critiques! Your making me realize and see these pictures a whole lot differently...I can't wait to get my riding pic's up to see what I can learn.
Honestly after seeing the way Charley acted in a trot w/my husband I haven't brought him to a trot, we've only been walking.
I didnt like seeing how my H was riding and both of them being tense..
Its amazing how you can bring that to light w/the rider and horse responding off each other, its like a mirror effect. I'll keep that in mind the next time I am riding.
     
    11-15-2012, 11:15 AM
  #16
Weanling
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Originally Posted by PunksTank    
The 'Chair seat'. It's much more comfortable for men. So either the men need to learn to ride a little more forward or they need a horse who can do well with a chair seat type rider (a big QH or other strong backed horse).
Your horse is precious, but doesn't have a great deal of back muscle and would do best with a rider who can get off her back while she's trying to move. She may be able to handle it more when she's built up her topline.
It looks like she's doing well with a relaxed rider who won't impede her movement. :)
I tend to ride more forward automatically because this horse does spooks and not only that I am re-building my confidence from a mishap four years ago~ (Prob ride forward a bit to much) Its hard for me to relax..I try to focus on shoulders back because I know I lean forward to much.
I'll have some pic's taken this weekend sometime.
     
    11-15-2012, 11:21 AM
  #17
Weanling
With all this great info you guys are telling me - With relaxation and proper seat, my horse very well could automatically hold his head down for that nice stretched out ride.
Walk, trot, and canter.
     
    11-15-2012, 11:33 AM
  #18
Green Broke
Don't worry about trot OR canter until you as a rider and the horse as the 'ridee' can do this at the walk.. in a nice safe location like the arena.

Use 1/2 or 1/3 of the arena (if you have a full size arena) and work on bending.. circles and so forth. LOOK WHERE YOU WANT TO GO and think HOW TO GET THERE. You will need to sit up straight and relax to do that.

When you ride a circle, look at the CENTER of the circle and work to keep the same distance from the center so your circle is ROUND. Same with Serpentines.. look to the center of the half circle.. then ahead for 3 strides of straight and then to the center of your next circle.

Get him extending at the walk. Get all you want at the walk. I suggest this for two weeks (riding at least 5X a week). When you get what you want at the walk.. then along the long side of the arena on a LOOSE rein, ask for a trot and then, do all the same stuff with a little more contact (not much) at the trot using half the arena.

@Punk's Tank: Successful male riders do NOT sit flat on the saddle in a chair seat. They put their weight in their heels and get their butt off the horse's back. Yeah.. I know.. the physiology.. LOL but these same guys have no issue riding those "crotch rocket" motorcycles do they?

Riding is exercise and interactive and you cannot sit the horse like a sack of sand! If you do the horse is going to have to work a LOT harder and probably will have more trouble balancing and may never become elastic.
     
    11-15-2012, 11:41 AM
  #19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Elana    
@Punk's Tank: Successful male riders do NOT sit flat on the saddle in a chair seat. They put their weight in their heels and get their butt off the horse's back. Yeah.. I know.. the physiology.. LOL but these same guys have no issue riding those "crotch rocket" motorcycles do they? .
Oh absolutely!! Sorry if I made it sound different - what I meant by it is that naturally when guys get on horses that's the position they get into - until they're taught differently - they gradually get used to the new position. So all I was saying was it's normal for guys to sit like that and if they plan on riding horses that can't handle the heavier seat style then they need to learn to ride more balanced.
There are entire sports that value a quality chair seat (jousting for one :P) so it can be desired - but you need a horse and tack that make it more tolerable for them. So I'm not saying chair seats are bad - nor am I saying men can't ride balanced or even forward seats- it's just more typical to see a guy in the chair seat. :P

ETA: Those motorcycles xD if you've ever been on one - they're not even comfortable for women!! I don't know how men do it!
     
    11-15-2012, 11:43 AM
  #20
Weanling
Wait that is the dam?!
Grand sire: sunbeachhonkytonk
Grand dam: jacks lace
     

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