Thanks heaps guys for all your replys :)
To teach a youngster to work in a frame they actually need to know that they have you there as support. A consistant, gentle contact on the reins is more supportive to a youngster, than no contact at all, after all we are wanting them to go forward into the bridle, but if the bridle is not there.......
Frog- Thanks that made alot of sense :) I do, however have contact with his mouth, although not forcing his head down at all. I do understand what your saying. I think it makes alot of sense, as a young horse he does need the support, and yeh. Thanks :P
If he doesn't make contact when you lunge him, maybe you should try a new bit
Sara- He doesnt make contact. And im going to try the rubber bit as Delregans Way suggested. And yes, he does have an interesting personality.
What bit are you using? Has his teeth been floated recently?
I said up the top, if you read it, I was using a loose ring french link
And yes his teeth were done before I started to work him.
UPDATE: I rode him yesterday in the arena, I didnt ask anything of his head, just kept a slight pressure. He done alot better, I done some trot poles and kept him thinking, and kept every thing simple. And he was fine! The owners were hoping to get him back by October when the show circut cuts off, ready for the new year. Where they want to heavly compete him in Hacking and Dressage. So I have alot of work on my hands
Thanks all for your advice.
If theres any thing else you could advise it would be much appreciated
Thank you all